I am quite sure 3DR is doing "something" with DNF now

[Babe]

I am quite sure Scott is upto something with DNF and not the handheld stuffs. Why ? Well think for yourself

1. He first posted 2 images from DNF in the facebook page without any DNF logo. All of us Duke fans/lovers/haters kicked up a storm as to whether they were posted in related to DNF or intended for a virul marketing campaign for the upcoming handle duke games. Scott didn't reply anything directly, but this time on the second 2 images that he posted on the face book image, the "Duke Nukem Forever" logo was put in. Surely this can mean he is giving us big hints that it is related to Duke Nukem Forever and hence the logos in the 2nd two images.

2. Scott also said in his Facebook account recently

Scott Miller at 7:14pm July 8
If you haven’t heard, he took a little break , but is back in the game now.

Now can you tell me which Duke game took a little break ? None !!

The closest match would be DNF because it was halted in May 8 2009 and assuming the development is on again secretly, the present build DNF's Duke is the most likely candidate to match the description of Duke taking a little break . All previous DNF builds, and hand held DN games that I have heard of have either been halted forever or on schdelue without a break.So in all other Duke games, Duke either has been halted completely or on schedule.

3. Why would Scott promote a bare ass stripper for hand held duke games considering handhelds are more common for kids and parents will not allow them to buy a game with strippers featuring full nudity ? Surely an entrepreneur like Scott who is definitely a more business focussed guy then George not that stupid ?

4. Besides remember that 3DR recetly said that they are still developing DNF

"[3D Realms/Apogee Ltd.] admits that it has continually worked on the development of the DNF for many years, and continues to do so,"

which undoutedly they will have to prove when the court case comes up, that they are infact still developing DNf. And 3DR will like to prove that too to make sure Take 2 doesnt have a leg to stand upon in their case.

Conclusion, something is defenitely happening with the DNF code right now. How big it is or small it is I cant tell, but somethings definitely cooking. Scott wouldnt be coming out with a satement saying Duke took a little break and start posting DNF images, 2 with DNF logos in them and one image with a bare ass stripper to sell hand held Duke games for kids. And 3DR wouldn't be officially claiming that they are still developing DNF when they know that they have to prove it in court within a year, assuming the case has not already been settled between 3DR and Take 2.

My conclusion: somethings definitely cooking regarding DNF at 3DR

[Danule]

i guess we will find out soon whats going down.

[JobivanHiob]

something is definitely cooking...I'm sure of it!
Hopefully things will clear up a bit when Duke's official fan page starts this week. But I guess this website will feature pics etc of all kind of Duke games to tease us even more! But hopefully the fan page will feature when times goes by more and more DNF related stuff to show us the real purpose behind it.

But something what troubles me is, why do we need even more tease! I would love to see DNF in the nearer future, but why do we need this teasing....I remember some years ago, it was in January 2007, wasn't it when the thumbnail pics were released on Gamasutra....hell this was 2,5 years ago! I can't freaking believe it! From that day on the Tease started...I guess DNF is this kind of game that needs this kind of tease...But I just want some definitive facts and real media by now!

[SpinX]

I think it will be a fan page on facebook... a very lame one...

[Semaj]

Originally Posted by Babe

I am quite sure Scott is upto something with DNF and not the handheld stuffs.

I think most of what you have is just conjecture.

1. 3DR has been releasing new content of DNF (at the time of release) over all these years, and DNF didn't seem to have done any better after any of those times. This should be no different. Scott probably just released these stuff to stick it up to TakeTwo and the whole lawsuit. The logos on the picture simply means they are related to DNF, and provides nothing more conclusive than that.

2. Returning from a break could mean the franchise is coming back in a big way. It doesn't necessary mean DNF since 3DR believes the new handhands are going to be great games anyways. Maybe he just meant that Duke will finally be relevant to the gaming scene again due to the handhelds.

3. Again, to piss off T2, or maybe he just does it for the hell of it.

4. 3DR would obviously keep on saying they are still working on DNF, probably due to the lawsuit and their own pride. Bottom line is they will never ever say they are not working on DNF, even if it is the truth. They will keep saying that during the lawsuit just so they have a chance of winning it, and again may not be parallel to the truth.

Your reasoning doesn't sound all that logical, and is a bit ridiculous. You basically put up 4 opinions, stated them as fact, and draw a conclusion from them. This interpretation of events just doesn't sounds all that realistic. You've even said something is going on with the code, when all that's released are just pictures. That's a giant leap there.

[WoodenSword]

unfortunately i think that it is just a desperate effort to keep the Duke franchise alive for as much as they can. Nothing more, nothing less...

And they are using their best weapon: A promise of DNF in the future (WITHOUT even promising it official! clever huh? )

Remember: They have no reason NOT to say that DNF is being continued by the "x" development team. They DO have reasons not to say anything about DNF halt of development and future uncertainty.

[Babe]

Originally Posted by Semaj

I think most of what you have is just conjecture.

Your reasoning doesn't sound all that logical, and is a bit ridiculous. You basically put up 4 opinions, stated them as fact, and draw a conclusion from them. This interpretation of events just doesn't sounds all that realistic. You've even said something is going on with the code, when all that's released are just pictures. That's a giant leap there.

Your interpretations are more then ridiculous. Infact completely dumb I must say .

Originally Posted by Semaj

1. Scott probably just released these stuff to stick it up to TakeTwo and the whole lawsuit.
2 .... could mean the franchise is coming back in a big way.
3. Again, to piss off T2, or maybe he just does it for the hell of it.
4. 3DR would obviously keep on saying they are still working on DNF...

1. Scott is a business man. He would not do anything without advice of his lawyers when a court case is on involving significant sum of money. Sticking it up to Take 2 is kid logic. Grow up and understand how a businessman and businesses work.

2. Can you please explain the phrase "a little break" please used by Scott in his statement and how this leads to your conclusion that the franchise is coming back in a big way. Yes we know Duke is coming back on hand helds, but the phrase " a little break" remains unexplained.

3. Again read 1 above and grow up.

4. Everyone knows that 3DR cant say that they are not working on DNF because of the court case. But they will have to prove this in the court too that they have indeed made some progress since May the 09. Otherwise saying just for the purpose of saying will not win them the case. And the only way they can prove that they are working on the game is to actually work on it, howsoever minor form it may be.

Finally your point 1 and point 3 replies are opinions too, based on kiddie logigic if I may add, point 2 an assumption completely ingnoringthe main phrase in the Scott statement and point 4 reply is something which any one can figure out.

Oh and by DNF code I meant source materials related to DNF, and not only the programming code. Its funny how you managed to find that little "code" term in my big paragraph but could not catch on the significance of the " little break" phrase used by Scott Miller in his one line comment

[prophecy holder]

With no central development team, I don't expect much unless reality finally hit Georgy boy and finally started working on it more seriously.

[imachavel]

Originally Posted by Babe

Your interpretations are more then ridiculous. Infact completely dumb I must say .



1. Scott is a business man. He would not do anything without advice of his lawyers when a court case is on involving significant sum of money. Sticking it up to Take 2 is kid logic. Grow up and understand how a businessman and businesses work.

2. Can you please explain the phrase "a little break" please used by Scott in his statement and how this leads to your conclusion that the franchise is coming back in a big way. Yes we know Duke is coming back on hand helds, but the phrase " a little break" remains unexplained.

3. Again read 1 above and grow up.

4. Everyone knows that 3DR cant say that they are not working on DNF because of the court case. But they will have to prove this in the court too that they have indeed made some progress since May the 09. Otherwise saying just for the purpose of saying will not win them the case. And the only way they can prove that they are working on the game is to actually work on it, howsoever minor form it may be.

Finally your point 1 and point 3 replies are opinions too, based on kiddie logigic if I may add, point 2 an assumption completely ingnoringthe main phrase in the Scott statement and point 4 reply is something which any one can figure out.

Oh and by DNF code I meant source materials related to DNF, and not only the programming code. Its funny how you managed to find that little "code" term in my big paragraph but could not catch on the significance of the " little break" phrase used by Scott Miller in his one line comment

dude chill out just an internet forum... lol

anyway aside from the angry post above (I'm not taking sides by the way I could care less)


you have to admit, this game looks pretty bad ass, and not from the point of view of a duke nukem fan, I'm saying I think anyone into video games would think the game looks nice, it looks incredible. WILL IT amount up, SOON!? Let's hope so, for 3d realms sake. but they've made SOME progress, they haven't been doing NOTHING, from the videos we've seen they've got some cool bosses and gun fights and INCREDIBLE graphics down with a cool ass game plot hard to beat. So I'd find it so hard to believe that they'd just throw this thing away like it has NO potential, I'd see it being fairly profitable as much as any call of duty or grand theft auto game for that matter. I'm SURE this will be a head turner, I have fun just WATCHING these videos. So lets hope for the best

[WoodenSword]

Babe, do you still believe that something other than desparate efforts for negotiations are still happening right now?

Originally Posted by Scott Miller

Probably within a month or two (note:about Duke Fan page promised ). Not in any hurry to set it up. Plus, when I do, I want to have some cool news to debut on it.

That means, if we also take into account what ex devs have said in the past, that DNF is still frozen and nothing will change it for at least two months.

[JobivanHiob]

I still believe in it.....maybe they're preparing a trailer or gameplay vids right now. Remember Scott wants some cool news to display on the Fan Page.

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by JobivanHiob

I still believe in it.....maybe they're preparing a trailer or gameplay vids right now. Remember Scott wants some cool news to display on the Fan Page.

A trailer would be really cool, but HOW? The dev team is gone! None seems to have replaced them. Most ex devs have found a new job some others are desperate and still looking (Joe Siegler is unemployed for two months!!!)

I still believe that this "facebook" story is to hold their last remaining duke fans, and to make them have patience for at least two months."Just keep them waiting, and...we will see...IF something good happens until then"

i am so sad

[Semaj]

Originally Posted by Babe

1. Scott is a business man. He would not do anything without advice of his lawyers when a court case is on involving significant sum of money. Sticking it up to Take 2 is kid logic. Grow up and understand how a businessman and businesses work.

Maybe he is well within his rights to release screenshots of a project he "was" working on. All of this could still be the work of 3DR, at the moment, so he is free to do what he please with them. But there isn't even any evidence that these screenshots are created recently, and if thats the case he is releasing work made by 3DR in the past that may or may not have been covered under the lawsuit agreement (ie. 3DR didn't take down their DNF screenshots in their main page after entering into the lawsuit). Since all of screenshots do have materials already found in other screenshots, the ones Scott released just now might be nothing more than alternative screens with some changes.

2. Can you please explain the phrase "a little break" please used by Scott in his statement and how this leads to your conclusion that the franchise is coming back in a big way. Yes we know Duke is coming back on hand helds, but the phrase " a little break" remains unexplained.

Duke has hardly been talk about in these years, other than DNF itself. The new handhelds may do exceptionally better than the PS/PS2 games and allow to franchise to return back into the spotlight of the gaming community. It will mean that old and new players are brought into the Duke community. So the Duke franchise took a "little break" when it was doing nothing at all, and now its returning from its "little break" when it is ready to do something again.

Oh and by DNF code I meant source materials related to DNF, and not only the programming code. Its funny how you managed to find that little "code" term in my big paragraph but could not catch on the significance of the " little break" phrase used by Scott Miller in his one line comment

I did see that "little break" phrase, and I did talk about the break in my point. You keep on thinking the "break" has to be related to DNF, when there is nothing to indicate that. You are jumping to conclusions based on what you think "little break" means. But "little" is a highly subjective and redundant word here in this manner, and your point might have been better had Scott used "short break".

3. Again read 1 above and grow up.

He can well be within his rights doing any of this stuff. 3DR has always acted childlike, especially when looking at the whole process of DNF development and 3DR saying "when its done" and covering their ears when asked otherwise. TakeTwo itself is being so too, in using this bully tactic to try and forced 3DR to give up, even through the contract wasn't up yet. It would not be surprising to see 3DR resist in this manner, since it is all they could do beside fighting the lawsuit itself. 3DR hasn't been friendly with T2 for a long time either, so maybe a little personal reasoning is behind this as well.

4. Everyone knows that 3DR cant say that they are not working on DNF because of the court case. But they will have to prove this in the court too that they have indeed made some progress since May the 09. Otherwise saying just for the purpose of saying will not win them the case. And the only way they can prove that they are working on the game is to actually work on it, howsoever minor form it may be.

There is nothing to prevent them from having nothing at hand and still saying they are working on it, they still got till 2012. They may decide to act strong now and then hope something good comes up later on, maybe an other income source or T2 finally backing down. And 3DR should keep on saying it is working on the code, if anything just to generate hype and support from people like you. If the code is not under a restraing order, why not try and act like the good guy and get public support.

Finally your point 1 and point 3 replies are opinions too, based on kiddie logigic if I may add, point 2 an assumption completely ingnoringthe main phrase in the Scott statement and point 4 reply is something which any one can figure out.

Alright, so if we neither of us is Scott, what evidence do you have to prove that what you said is ultimately right and what I said ultimately wrong? Unless you read Scott's mind or see into the future, we are both guessing. I don't deny that on my part, but at least I don't start a thread and try to pass my opinions as fact. You are the one here that is trying to create all this hype with nothing, and that may be fine if it was posted in the Facebook analyze thread but not like this.

[BloodWolf806]

Who's to say that Scott's Radar team isn't finishing DNF? They were formed with the sole purpose of co-development...so Finishing DNF would be right up their ally.

[imachavel]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

Babe, do you still believe that something other than desparate efforts for negotiations are still happening right now?



That means, if we also take into account what ex devs have said in the past, that DNF is still frozen and nothing will change it for at least two months.

where did he post this?

also, for semaj, I think he was trying to say your thread just seemed like another '3d realms is doing all this to stick this up take twos ass' hype thread and was just saying that obviously at this point they're not trying to piss off their publisher

obviously he did it very rudely

[jet jaguar 2.0]

This is just sad. Enjoy another 12-year long battle of complete futility.

[Ironside]

They barley put out media when they still had a group of people working for them so how in the hell they could do something without anybody?? wtf? Grow a brain, they failed as a company.!!!111!11

[BloodWolf806]

It's also entirely possible that Scott and George were able to license the Duke IP to another developer, who is in turn developing a new Duke game for the PC/360/PS3 or whatever that hasn't been announced yet. With the profits they make with the game they could hire a few guys to work on the DNF build until the lawsuit is out the window.

[Waiter]

Originally Posted by Babe

We'll think for yourself

Good. Then I can save my brain cells for something useful.

[randir14]

Any "cool news" is going to be about the handheld games.

[FPS SpitFire]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

(Joe Siegler is unemployed for two months!!!)

I miss Joe.

[Zeromaeus]

Originally Posted by FPS SpitFire

I miss Joe.

I miss Duke Nukem.
...
...
And now I'm playing Duke Nukem 64...
...

[WoodenSword]

I am quite sure 3DR is doing "something" with DNF now

I am sure of that too....

[shiranui]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

I am sure of that too....

hehehe

[Rapture_Rising]

Im sure the only thing 3DR is doing now is laughing at us for wasting our lives waiting for a game "they" kept promising "Would be done soon".

[crunchy superman]

"Fail with the king, baby!"

[Onebullit]

Originally Posted by Rapture_Rising

Im sure the only thing 3DR is doing now is laughing at us for wasting our lives waiting for a game "they" kept promising "Would be done soon".

That's what they have done for 12 years. Laughing with their fans.

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW ?

mwaaaahahaha.....

Spending 20 million $$$ and not being able to produce a game.
Give me 1/4 th of that money pls ... and we'll see.

[Kit]

That something is probably upgrading their gnomes in World of Warcraft.

[scubagear]

Originally Posted by BloodWolf806

It's also entirely possible that Scott and George were able to license the Duke IP to another developer, who is in turn developing a new Duke game for the PC/360/PS3 or whatever that hasn't been announced yet. With the profits they make with the game they could hire a few guys to work on the DNF build until the lawsuit is out the window.

Yes, I belive in Duke. They will using the current build of DNF using some unseen content out of it, let the "current" dev-team finish it and this *NEW* mystic game will be called "The Return of the King" :-) then they got enough money to buy t2

[imachavel]

jesus, I'll tell you one thing

if they DO win this case, and somehow finish this game, they better not wait another 5 years to do so. God, I could imagine it happening......


truth is after this lawsuit with whatever money they barely have I DOUBT they're going to be able to finish the game themselves, how could they with no development team? what do they have one guy in there doing everything, working on graphics for 5 minutes, then working on level design for 5 minutes, then working on sound effects for 5 minutes........

truth is, if this is going to be finished, they're probably going to have to let another company finish it for them, let's just hope they do so, the company will probably have a release date automatically, and george will consult with the company and help them finish this

I feel bad for 3d realms for whatever loses they have financially, but who says they couldn't just tell whatever company that finishes it for them that they can split the profits, 3d realms can have half of WHATEVER they make from it, and so can the other company

release date set and the game almost out, take two would have to drop the lawsuit


does anyone know why they haven't done this already? are all other companies unfair about this sort of deal? or are they just being moronic about all this


we'll have to wait and see but it seems the world would be better for just about everybody if they just did so now

[inotocracy]

Originally Posted by imachavel

does anyone know why they haven't done this already? are all other companies unfair about this sort of deal? or are they just being moronic about all this

Because that's too logical, and they're idiots. People continue to cling on to 3D Realms, but I gotta ask.. why? Duke 3D was where it was at but that was over a decade ago. They haven't really done anything significant since. Just empty promises while tugging on the fan's emotional strings. Its the older generation that clings, everyone else doesn't give a shit. You'd think the old timers would wise up and move on with their lifes. 3D Realms isn't what they use to be.

This whole ordeal has been a slap in the face for all gamers who stuck by 3DR when the naysayers were real about it. After all this, did 3DR give any sort of feedback to the community? A breakdown of the situation? Hell no. George played poker and got a garage door installed. **** 3DR.