George was right! Who would have imagined?

[Altered Reality]

"Duke Nukem Forever will come out before Doom 3."
George Broussard, 2002

Guess what? On Xbox 360 and PS3, DNF did come out before Doom 3!

[IceColdDuke]

George said Doom 3 not Doom 3 BFG edition .

[Altered Reality]

Originally Posted by IceColdDuke

George said Doom 3 not Doom 3 BFG edition .

Of course. But after buying the above-mentioned BFG edition, George's words seem rather amusing.

[Thewho]

How prescient!

[Player Lin]

The BFG edition of DooM 3 should be REAL DooM 3, for me.

[Commando Nukem]

Originally Posted by Player Lin

The BFG edition of DooM 3 should be REAL DooM 3, for me.

Why? It's inferior to the original.

All you need to do is get the SIKKMOD and the DUCT TAPE MOD and the original Doom 3 beats the BFG iteration hands down. Better menu controls, mobility.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Duct Tape Mod is for babies.

Also BFG has things cut out from the original Doom 3s and the version of Doom 1 and Doom 2 aren't complete either. It's terrible.

[pjVgt]

DooM 3 is a horrible game.

RaGe is even worse.

I am truly astonished by the impressive technical feats that those games represent, but those games suck.

[PimPamPet]

I enjoyed Doom 3. I haven't played Rage (yet). I've heard the PC port is really buggy and I don't feel like spending 20 euros on a broken product. Perhaps if it goes on sale for 80% off or something.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by pjVgt

DooM 3 is a horrible game.

RaGe is even worse.

I am truly astonished by the impressive technical feats that those games represent, but those games suck.

I disagree with you. Both have very good shooting mechanics.

And both are better than DNF.

[Nihilanth]

Originally Posted by PimPamPet

I enjoyed Doom 3. I haven't played Rage (yet). I've heard the PC port is really buggy and I don't feel like spending 20 euros on a broken product. Perhaps if it goes on sale for 80% off or something.

It's disappointing that RAGE gets bashed for being "buggy" while in fact it's really, really, extremely polished and devoid of bugs.

Get the latest drivers, update the game so you can set Texture Cache to Large in options. You're set. I think AMD users had more issues but I'd say these are resolved by now.

[Flying Techbot]

The history of DNF really is worthy as a subject for an epic poem. Or mock epic poem, if there any John Dryden or Alexander Pope fans among the 3D Realms forums who appreciate a witty tribute to a tragic project.

If only kept their alphas and betas for the first two incarnations of DNF. Ah, well. There's always the possibility of modding for UT and QII, if Gearbox/3DR allows it, that is.

Doom 3 definitely need a lot of reconsideration before pushing toward the direction they did. I love the H.R. Giger artistic approach, but the borrowings of System Shock 2's gameplay devices such as the PDF logs, weren't adapted nor written well. The A.I. definitely needed more umph to it. It would have been cool if it had begun with you and a squad of other marines exploring the deserted Martian base, and then have the demons flank you when you least expect them to.

I think Doom 3 could use a TC reimagining. Lots of potential features for the Doom 3 engine have not been realized yet for modifications.

[Altered Reality]

Originally Posted by Flying Techbot

If only kept their alphas and betas for the first two incarnations of DNF.

There are no betas for the first two DNF iterations. An alpha version is a version that lacks features, and that is what those two versions were. A beta version would be already feature-complete, but with bugs still in, which those versions were most certainly not.

Originally Posted by Flying Techbot

Ah, well. There's always the possibility of modding for UT and QII, if Gearbox/3DR allows it, that is.

Personally, for pseudo-DNF modding, I'm partial to the OldUnreal version of Unreal 1, because it offers the most amount of flexibility with the least amount of effort. In fact, last year I had made three "proofs of concept" for the abandoned Duke 1998 project: http://alteredreality.altervista.org/duke98/. If you want to make some more, feel free to do so

Originally Posted by Flying Techbot

Doom 3 definitely need a lot of reconsideration before pushing toward the direction they did. I love the H.R. Giger artistic approach, but the borrowings of System Shock 2's gameplay devices such as the PDF logs, weren't adapted nor written well. The A.I. definitely needed more umph to it. It would have been cool if it had begun with you and a squad of other marines exploring the deserted Martian base, and then have the demons flank you when you least expect them to.

I wish that a future Doom episode would dwell more about the mundane consequences of discovering Hell, instead of just "OMG KILL TEH DEEMONS", because that is how a military corp would think, especially one serving a scientific research company.

For example, the story should show how UAC has been:
- establishing bases in Hell
- teleporting armies and vehicles to exterminate the demons
- taking advantage of the "Hercules complex" (established by Doom 3) to get a lot more work done
- taking advantage of any difference in the passage of time between our dimension and Hell (e.g. if time runs faster in Hell: teleport a supercomputer to Hell, transmit the processed data to Mars and obtain more processing power for free. If time runs slower in Hell: establish a permanent base to keep soldiers in their prime (thus better prepared for combat) for a much longer time)
- taking advantage of any difference between Hell and Mars (e.g. Mars is cold and Hell is hot, Hell contains a breathable atmosphere and Mars does not, so a portal between Hell and Mars, permanently open, would provide Mars with comfortable temperatures and a breathable atmosphere).

[Flying Techbot]

Altered Reality, you are a gamer after me own heart. I like the screenshots of your proof of concept in Old Unreal (I, also, am very partial to the original). No I just need to play them.