Terminal Velocity

[Swordsaber]

Hello, I see some pages of topic and I have'nt found anything about Terminal Velocity ???
Unbelievable for me, impossible : it was one of my famous video games.
It was great for his time : full liberty action.

But with time, I have a big doubt about his scenario : I read that the game begin with a war due to the revolt of surrounding systems. But I still remember something about the electronics defense which human have lost control.

Is there something right in my memories ???

[Joe Siegler]

There's 8 or 9 year old posts in this forum. Make sure you're searching ALL the old posts. There's plenty of TV posts in here - just not lately.

[Swordsaber]

Euh, ya, thanks but in fact, I haven't found !
So, do you know anything about the scenario ?


Is there anybody who think that this game can be made in a new version, with graphism using DirectX 10 ? :P

[IwantMORE]

It would be good to see it re-borne, could be great on the DS

[Joe Siegler]

I doubt TRI has any plans to do more. They already did two sequels (the first sequel even had an addon pack). While they could surprise us, I doubt they'd do another one.

[Swordsaber]

It would be such a pity to never see again a game like that.
Moreover, I've already imagined a new story and new gameplay .
I'd really like to see a game of futurist spaceship cause it's really rare.

But IwantMORE has reason too : the DS could be a perfect support for original version .

[doomjedi]

I was really surprised lately to see how well TV runs under DosBox....amazing.

[Daedolon]

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

I doubt TRI has any plans to do more. They already did two sequels (the first sequel even had an addon pack). While they could surprise us, I doubt they'd do another one.

Fury3 and ?

[Altered Reality]

Originally Posted by Daedolon

Fury3 and ?

Hellbender.

[Nukkus]

i remember when i bought windows 95 it came with the full version of hellbender shrinkwrapped to the box...
Terminal velocity sits in my retro cd rack, surrounded by the wonders of Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior.

[leilei]

to my disappointment, fury3x and hellbender didn't support 22050/44100hz sound

and fury3x didn't support 640x200 either. :/

[doomsdayman]

I hope a new Terminal Velocity comes Terminal Velocity 2:Reborn
sounds good so plz 3drealms plz make Terminal Velocity 2:Reborn
You can make it with the same engine as warhawk yhere thats cool base vs base in space hyper drive make your own ship wow and a super computer ai where you must team work too win

[Joe Siegler]

Originally Posted by Daedolon

Fury3 and ?

The immediate line of succession was:

Fury3
F-Zone (addon for Fury3)
Hellbender

[peoplessi]

Terminal Velocity is still one of my favourites. I still remember the day when my godfather gave it on my birthday. Same thing with Duke Nukem 3D.

[Brick_Sledge]

I've got all three of them and they are quite awesome. Well Fury3 isn't THAT awesome since it is pretty much the same game as Terminal Velocity?

Anyway, games like TV or Descent are certainly my favorite type of flight simulator.

[Joe Siegler]

Yeah, Fury3 is pretty much the same game as Terminal Velocity, except made for Windows 3.x.

[CobraA1]

I re-discovered this game not too long ago. Amazingly enough, it's still being sold?! Now that DOSBox works with it, I bought a copy .

Problem is, it seems the whole first-person space genre seems to be dead, with the possible exception of some Star Wars games . I looked around for some modern equivalent of TV, and I just couldn't find any. Ironically, it seems that TV is one of the first - and one of the last - games of its genre to be sold.

Problem with Fury, Hellbender, etc is that they're no longer really being sold. I suppose I could check to see if I could find them on ebay, but they're no longer being sold as new anywhere.

Dunno why the whole genre sold so poorly - it's such a fun genre. I suppose it got overshadowed by shooters. I'd definitely pay for a new game in the genre.

Just update the graphics, support XP/Vista, and oh yeah support all four axis on my joystick, and I'll be happy buying a sequel .

For now, though, I'll be happy playing the original in DOSBox. Perhaps emulation will bring back interest in the game and the genre .

I loved the terrain and tunnels in TV. The terrain is greatly varied and often strategically important in TV. Tunnels add to the mix, making it fun. I don't really find other games where everything is in space that much fun.

The only real problem I had is with the weird tying together of yaw and roll whenever using a joystick with it, which made it difficult to maintain level flying. I guess joysticks at the time were rather limited and had only three axis at most (x, y, throttle). My current joystick is a Logitech Extreme3D, which is great for a lot of games . It's got four axis - X, Y, Throttle, and Twist. It's great for flight sims and Mech Warrior games. I'd love to see some game of this genre take full advantage of it.

I suppose you could also say Microsoft killed the genre - after all, they were pretty much in charge of the last few games in the genre. When they lost interest in the genre, everything disappeared .

Well, I did find a game with some space elements in - the Eternal Silence mod for Half-Life 2. Seems fun, but not the same.

It would be such a pity to never see again a game like that.

Yes, it truly would be a pity. It was a great concept. I'd hate to see the entire genre remain dead. AFAIK, there's nothing inherently wrong with the genre preventing it from becoming profitable.

[CobraA1]

Finally got it in the mail. Still a bit surprised I was able to buy a DOS game! Seems to work fine in DOSBox with the exception of a slight sticky key problem.

Takes me back to the good old days .

The level editor download wants me to register for FilePlanet - no thanks - is it possible to get it somewhere without registering?

I do hope that some day the genre gets resurrected.

[doomsdayman]

I HATE MY JOYSTICKS every time i used on TF it gets all well i cant explain it but it looks like the stick is every time on the lower left corner and it keeps spining

[CobraA1]

Turn off timed emulation. That should fix it.

[StrikerMan780]

Hellbender has to be my favorite, I have even done a sort of speed-run for the first mission on Morbos. =D I even created a video of it. Hellbender is more than definitely one of my favorite games of all time. I just wish I knew how to contact TRI.... I always wanted a source code release, and with my C++ Knowledge, make an OpenGL / Multiplayer Port.

Check my vid out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoOzCqApq4

One thing I must say I really liked about hellbender's controls, it has support for 4 Axis and 8 Buttons. X, Y, Throttle, Rudder(Twist)

Just kinda sad it's hard to contact TRI About possibly releasing the source, since they don't seem to have an email... If someone could point me to the right place, I'll be happy.

FYI: Microsoft was only the producer of Hellbender, they didn't develop it.

[CobraA1]

Is it just me - or is Hellbender a bit darker and a bit sparser than Terminal Velocity?

Also, it seems that drawing distances aren't much better.

Anyways - their job application page has an email address. It may be a bit awkward using their employment email to contact them, but it's better than nothing.

FYI: Microsoft was only the producer of Hellbender, they didn't develop it.

Yeah, I know, they don't actually develop any of their games. But they do have a lot of influence.

[doomsdayman]

no but i did it on WINDOWS ME and that works wird

[StrikerMan780]

Originally Posted by doomsdayman

no but i did it on WINDOWS ME and that works wird

Not to be rough, but, Windows ME sucks, sorry to say. Downgrade to Windows 98, or upgrade to Windows 2000. That's all there is to it. ME is an incoherent, slow, buggy, crash-filled piece of shit. I used it, hated it to death. Windows ME was a total failure. If not more than Vista.

If you ever want to run Hellbender (or even Terminal Velocity or Fury3), use Windows 98, or Windows 2000/XP/Vista with Windows 95 Compat mode. (Surprisingly, Vista Runs it better than ME ever can, in fact, almost flawlessly. Despite it's rep for breaking compat with old programs.)

Originally Posted by CobraA1

Is it just me - or is Hellbender a bit darker and a bit sparser than Terminal Velocity?

Also, it seems that drawing distances aren't much better.

Anyways - their job application page has an email address. It may be a bit awkward using their employment email to contact them, but it's better than nothing.



Yeah, I know, they don't actually develop any of their games. But they do have a lot of influence.

Yeah, I have sent an email to the Employment Email address, but I haven't gotten a reply for almost a month, I even sent it a second time last week just in case, but still nothing.

Oh, and yeah, hellbender is quite a bit darker, but has a MUCH Better background story, and It's CD Red-Book music and Cinematics are pure gold. The amounts of enemies and the challenge really intensifies on the "Hellbent" Skill, gets VERY Frantic, Especially on the last few planets.

I love the fact it has true portal rendering, particles, and 3D Structures such as buildings, and much more complex tunnels, not to mention the levels are larger and some objectives more complex. (Eg. Escorting Rishi to the jump zone without him getting killed by fighters that direct fire at him.)

And, of course Microsoft has a HUGE Influence on the games, no doubt.

[CobraA1]

Windows ME was a total failure. If not more than Vista.

Yeah, I'd recommend dumping ME. It's old and outdated. Upgrade to XP, or get a new computer with Vista. I do not recommend upgrading an older computer to Vista: Too many compatibility issues.

Vista is at least improving. It's already a lot more stable than when it was first released. It looks like it's going to end up being a decent OS once the bugs are worked out.

Yeah, I have sent an email to the Employment Email address, but I haven't gotten a reply for almost a month, I even sent it a second time last week just in case, but still nothing.

Looks like the only way to get their attention is to drive/fly to Texas and physically knock on the door .

Perhaps an independent developer can make a similar game? There are some nice game engines such as Torque that can easily create something similar to these games. The great thing about Torque itself is that it handles both outdoor and indoor environments seamlessly, which should make adding tunnels and other indoor structures painless.

I personally own the advanced version of Torque, and it should work better for this type of game, since it includes "Atlas" which allows creating much larger terrains than regular Torque.

I might just try creating a proof of concept game with the copy of TGEA I own. If I can get other people to be involved and help develop it - who knows? Perhaps the community can make something.

[feldzug]

I'm searching for Terminal Velocity version 1.1. Does someone have this version or would sell me his copy?

[CobraA1]

Hmm, looks like somebody has already attempted to create a "Flight Game Example" based off of the Torque engine - and it appears mostly finished. Sounds like it just needs somebody to put together levels and artwork for it.

If I can get TGEA to compile, I may just try creating a TV-like game with it .

http://www.garagegames.com/blogs/4553/13111

feldzug: You can buy Terminal Velocity 1.2 for only $15 here at 3D Realms. It works great with DOSBox.

http://www.buy3drealms.com/tervel.html

Sad thing is, it's the only game of its kind still for sale . All of those other games have been discontinued and the genre largely forgotten.

[James Freeman]

(WARNING: LONG POST!)

Originally Posted by Swordsaber

It would be such a pity to never see again a game like that.
Moreover, I've already imagined a new story and new gameplay .
I'd really like to see a game of futurist spaceship cause it's really rare.

But IwantMORE has reason too : the DS could be a perfect support for original version .

Oh, the genre isn't dead. It's still carried on, although mostly by indie developers.
Case in point: the Star Wraith series.
Even better, Star Wraith 4: Reviction, Star Wraith 3: shadows of Orion, and Riftspace are all FREE. And they are all very good, although a little more 'realistic' then Terminal Velocity. IE:

-Enemies are VERY smart and take just about as much to kill as you do (thankfully, you don't have to kill as many as you do in TV)

-You fight mostly in space

-You can't enter an atmosphere at too steep an angle or you'll burn up

-You have to manage energy

-You can use directional thrusters to strafe

and...

-You have commandable wingmates who are just as smart as the bad guys

That said, I would LOVE to see TV remade, even if just by fans.
If it's ever remade, here's some new things I'd like to see:

-"Glide Mode": uses classic air-combat physics (meaning you can stall!), but makes you harder to detect.

-"Inertial mode": allows you to fly with the inertial dampening system OFF when in space, allowing you to keep moving in your original direction and aim somewhere else. AKA "Starfury mode" for those of us who know Babylon 5.

-MORE GUNS! Perhaps even some ballistic weapons?

-Smarter bosses (fighter bosses actually DOGFIGHT, perhaps?)

-Higher speed without AB's: I always felt your maximum speed was a bit slow without afterburners.

-New difficulty: Terminally INSANE, where enemies come in smaller groups... but are super-smart, capable of dogfighting, and take almost as much damage as you do to kill.

[8IronBob]

Doubt that a Wii or PS3 port with motion sensing movements will come into play at all?

[Joe Siegler]

Originally Posted by 8IronBob

Doubt that a Wii or PS3 port with motion sensing movements will come into play at all?

I doubt it - but the decision to do that would likely come from Terminal Reality. They wrote the game. We were just the publisher.

[Reaper]

I never understood space games. Yes, Descent and its kin are great, but.. How does it make sense that space ships can take tons of damage and dish out an equal amout, yet current space ships can barely withstand a 2 cm space rock. If anything all ships would be destroyed in 1 shot.

The only way around this is for space ships to use sci-fi "shields."

Same goes for the Mechwarrior games. How can they take 200 missiles and still not explode? A real machine would be destroyed by the first missile.

[Joe Siegler]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I never understood space games. Yes, Descent and its kin are great, but.. How does it make sense that space ships can take tons of damage and dish out an equal amout, yet current space ships can barely withstand a 2 cm space rock. If anything all ships would be destroyed in 1 shot.

Your answer is in the fifth word you spoke.

[Nemesis 01]

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Your answer is in the fourth word you spoke.

I suppose you mean the FIFTH word ("games")...

[Joe Siegler]

Originally Posted by Nemesis 01

I suppose you mean the FIFTH word ("games")...

Dammit.

[Cipher]

Lolz

Oh, BTW, has anyone tried actually tried contacting Terminal Reality?

Are they even still around?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cipher

Lolz

Oh, BTW, has anyone tried actually tried contacting Terminal Reality?

Are they even still around?

Simple as a google search, my friend. They're still around (here, working on a Ghostbusters title.

[Cipher]

I never really tried because I assumed they didn't exist.

Now I feel stupid.

[ShadeEX]

I remember Joe Wampole being on these boards (ex Terminal Reality employee) Infact he's a 3DR employee IIRC

I don't know if he was involved in the development of Terminal Velocity or the sequels..

However I know for a fact that he was involved with Bloodrayne and Nocturne, two other Terminal Reality games. I own both of them, he's listed in the credits

EDIT:
His profile is here:
http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/member.php?u=2056

[8IronBob]

IIRC, wasn't there something like this that Microsoft bundled into Windows 95 way back when, or was it Windows 98? Can't remember, but it was great, it was based off one of those PCs that had some sort of fantasy flight thingy. Looked like Descent or TV, but it was done by M$, iirc...

[Plagman]

Are you talking about Hover! ?