High resolution cinematics

Spyd · 10-10-2005, 10:07 AM

If DNF has pre-rendered cinematic sequences, there should be a -optional- high resolution version?
Nowadays rendering costs are small, and it'll be cool to see the cinematic sequences in full HDTV quality (1080p).
I think that everybody that can play DNF will have enough computer to play that kind of video, so... why see cinematics that are so low-res that are blurrier than the actual game?

Kristian Joensen · 10-10-2005, 10:12 AM

Sorry but there wont be any cinematics, everything will be seen though Duke Nukem's eyes just like in Prey(But there it is through Tommy Tawodi's eyes instead).

Imfamous · 10-10-2005, 10:25 AM

DNF should stay true to Duke 3d and have no cinematics at all

crunchy superman · 10-10-2005, 10:28 AM

^ Indeed! I despise game cinematics!

Cerberus_e · 10-10-2005, 10:36 AM

I like cinematics at: the beginning of the level/end of the level.
but not inbetween.

in fact, I LOVE cutscenes at the beginning and/or end of the level

Kristian Joensen · 10-10-2005, 10:40 AM

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Imfamous said:
DNF should stay true to Duke 3d and have no cinematics at all

What are you talking about, there are cinematics after every episode.

Cerberus_e · 10-10-2005, 10:46 AM

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Kristian Joensen said:

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Imfamous said:
DNF should stay true to Duke 3d and have no cinematics at all

What are you talking about, there are cinematics after every episode.

even at the beginning of episode 4.

Kristian Joensen · 10-10-2005, 10:59 AM

Yes that was very cool.

Imfamous · 10-10-2005, 11:01 AM

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Kristian Joensen said:

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Imfamous said:
DNF should stay true to Duke 3d and have no cinematics at all

What are you talking about, there are cinematics after every episode.

My mistake. Nonetheless, I don't think DNF should have cutscenes. It was fine for an FPS back in the sprite days, but it just ruins the game today.

Kristian Joensen · 10-10-2005, 11:04 AM

What ?

Have you seen the cutscenes from Prey ?

Joe Siegler · 10-10-2005, 11:12 AM

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Imfamous said:
DNF should stay true to Duke 3d and have no cinematics at all

Huh? Duke3D had some small cinematics. Not much, but it was there.

Imfamous · 10-10-2005, 11:29 AM

Thanks for ignoring to read my second post.

Orochi Avlis · 10-10-2005, 11:58 AM

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Kristian Joensen said:
What ?

Have you seen the cutscenes from Prey ?

They aren't cut scenes. They are all from Tommy's (if not, somebody else's) eyes.

Kristian Joensen · 10-10-2005, 12:05 PM

Yes, I know that, but they exist. Wheter they technicaly are to be aclled cut scenes is another matter, they never the less are similiar and play the same role as cut scenes.

avatar_58 · 10-10-2005, 12:09 PM

It would be good out of the player's eyes, or in game "moments" like in Doom 3.

dudetheman19 · 10-10-2005, 12:10 PM

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Imfamous said:
DNF should stay true to Duke 3d and have no cinematics at all

Huh? Duke3D had some small cinematics. Not much, but it was there.

I loved the cinematic, KEEP THEM!! Also looked like there would be some in the DNF2001 video.

Imfamous · 10-10-2005, 03:57 PM

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Kristian Joensen said:
Yes, I know that, but they exist. Wheter they technicaly are to be aclled cut scenes is another matter, they never the less are similiar and play the same role as cut scenes.

The point is, they're not cutscenes.

Kristian Joensen · 10-10-2005, 04:14 PM

But then what is a cutscene what is it you are objecting to ?

Games with a story ?

BloodWolf806 · 10-10-2005, 04:19 PM

I think DNF should have cinematics from your perspective, like Half-Life 2 and Far Cry Instincts.

Kristian Joensen · 10-10-2005, 04:21 PM

That is exactly how it is gonna be, that is 3D Realms design principle, we can expect ALL future 3D Reams games both 1st and 3rd party ones to be like that.

Von Doom · 10-10-2005, 04:35 PM

I think high-res cut-scenes would be killer.

big fat lazy · 10-10-2005, 04:43 PM

I would prefer no cutscenes or cinematics.

chitown · 10-10-2005, 04:57 PM

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Spyd said:
If DNF has pre-rendered cinematic sequences, there should be a -optional- high resolution version?
Nowadays rendering costs are small, and it'll be cool to see the cinematic sequences in full HDTV quality (1080p).
I think that everybody that can play DNF will have enough computer to play that kind of video, so... why see cinematics that are so low-res that are blurrier than the actual game?

I dont know, while that's a great idea, that high resolution will cost anyone who want to experience that double the money. First buying a top-end video card to output that resolution, and then getting a monitor to display it, just for a bit of pre-rendered cinematic scenes.

Symok · 10-10-2005, 06:11 PM

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chitown said:I dont know, while that's a great idea, that high resolution will cost anyone who want to experience that double the money. First buying a top-end video card to output that resolution, and then getting a monitor to display it, just for a bit of pre-rendered cinematic scenes.

"They shouldn't include high res versions of cut scences because some people might go buy new hardware to watch them"?

Personally, I think that for those who have a high end graphics card, high resolution cutscenes would be an awsome addition

avatar_58 · 10-10-2005, 06:19 PM

I think the reason more games are avoiding cutscene movies and just doing them ingame is due to hardware. It ends up looking much nicer on high end instead of being stuck with low resolution blurry videos.

The real reason they use those video is so they can make the characters do things their models can't. I have a better idea....maybe they should make better models capable of doing some actions besides walking and shooting?

10-10-2005, 06:19 PM

As long as they have a cheat that enables 3rd person later on in the game... That would be great.

Yatta · 10-10-2005, 06:32 PM

No. Pre-rendered movie files have been extinct for a good while now. It can all be done in-engine and look better too.

Imfamous · 10-10-2005, 07:07 PM

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Kristian Joensen said:
But then what is a cutscene what is it you are objecting to ?

Games with a story ?

That unless it's an RPG or game like MGS, cutscenes ruin games. I don't give a shit if they do stuff like what's seen in the Prey trailer, but if they do something like Halo, it would worsen the game.

Now stop asking stupid questions.

Gideon · 10-10-2005, 07:49 PM

Pre-Rendered cut scenes have gone the way of the dodo, but I miss them. They we're a reward to me, and I enjoyed watching them, still do. Most engines now can do pretty good graphics, so they do them real-time.

I would like to see the CG cutscene make a comeback though, even if it is in realtime.

Yatta · 10-10-2005, 08:14 PM

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I would like to see the CG cutscene make a comeback though, even if it is in realtime.

Custscenes should return only if they're done in realtime. You'd be wasting disk space generating videos when your game engine is almost on par with what can be done in a pre-rendered cinematic. Even real-time strategy games are doing stuff in-engine now. Off the top of my head, most of the sequences in Warcraft 3 are done right inside the game.

Emultra · 10-10-2005, 08:44 PM

Well, I wouldn't want to be without Blizzards top notch cutscenes.

Odin · 10-10-2005, 09:59 PM

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Yatta said:
Even real-time strategy games are doing stuff in-engine now. Off the top of my head, most of the sequences in Warcraft 3 are done right inside the game.

Age of Mythology does it too. And quite kickass-ly.

Anyway, I think cutscenes should be in DNF, but not too long. Kinda like the ending cutscenes in DN3D. Just enough to show a resolve to a problem in the game, but short and to the point. Also, I do agree that they should be done in-engine. It's a first-person shooter, the graphics should be good enough for you to be able to sit through a 30-second or less cutscene of duke radiating kickassery.

Orochi Avlis · 10-10-2005, 10:14 PM

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Emultra said:
Well, I wouldn't want to be without Blizzards top notch cutscenes.

They do make some good ones.

Kalki · 10-11-2005, 12:02 AM

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Orochi Avlis said:

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Emultra said:
Well, I wouldn't want to be without Blizzards top notch cutscenes.

They do make some good ones.

Agreed.

Implementation matters. You can't blindly stick to conventions, you should do what feels right in the scope of your project.

Me, I'd like cinematic elements in DNF, not necessarily the perspective break but atleast scripted music for key moments and perhaps chapter titles or those location-depicting texts that come typing into the bottom left corner, when you appear in a fresh area.

hell-angel · 10-11-2005, 12:20 AM

How about cinematice at PC quality?? That is much better then HDTV quality.

chitown · 10-11-2005, 04:56 AM

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Symok said:

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chitown said:I dont know, while that's a great idea, that high resolution will cost anyone who want to experience that double the money. First buying a top-end video card to output that resolution, and then getting a monitor to display it, just for a bit of pre-rendered cinematic scenes.

"They shouldn't include high res versions of cut scences because some people might go buy new hardware to watch them"?

People are going to need to buy new hardware regardless mainly a new video card when this game comes out, but wanting the highest HD resolution that is possible, 1080p we will need a WUXGA or WQXGA monitors to display that.

Spyd · 10-11-2005, 05:41 AM

While I guess that most (all?) of the in-game cinematic sequences will be done with the engine (I prefer it that way), I'm sure there are key points in DNF that are difficult to represent using the engine.

And I know that sometimes a pre-rendered movie can break the inmersion, but not if is at the game start or after defeating a boss.

So even if there are only two pre-rendered cinematic sequences (presentation, ending... whatever) I want them to be encoded in full HDTV glory.

About tech stuff:

HDTV video on PC needs a powerful computer; but you won't be playing DNF in a crappy PC.

To fully enjoy HDTV, you need a high resolution monitor, but even in the standard 1024x768 resolution you can see the added crispness. Remember that the NTSC DVD resolution is 720x480.

And DNF can have two versions of the cinematic sequences; one in standard resolution for the less powerful computers, and the other in high definition.

Finally, even if you need a too-expensive computer to see the HD video, in one year even cheap computers will handle it without sweating... so it's a future investment.

hell-angel · 10-11-2005, 06:25 AM

uhhmm, I could be wrong here but as far as I know, HDTV still has a lower resolution then a standard monitor. (CRT monitor of course).

If I am wrong, what is the resolution of a HD TV?

Spyd · 10-11-2005, 08:41 AM

It depends on the mode used.
there are several modes: 480, 720, 1080; corresponding to the horintal lines, and every resolution has two options, interlaced or progressive. Interlaced means that the real video resolution is halved.
The highest resolution is 1080p, that is 1920x1080.

Here you have a graphic to see how compare the different resolutions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480i

EmperorZorn · 10-11-2005, 08:50 AM

NO !

I wouldnt want cinematics other than intro and ending in DNF.
Such things should take place ingame, in order not to break the immersion and to keep you on guard even during ingame conversions.

I like watching out for enemies while talking to npcs :P

Its more realistic.

10-10-2005, 06:19 PM	#26
Piano Man Guest	Re: High resolution cinematics As long as they have a cheat that enables 3rd person later on in the game... That would be great.

10-10-2005, 10:07 AM	#1
Spyd	High resolution cinematics If DNF has pre-rendered cinematic sequences, there should be a -optional- high resolution version? Nowadays rendering costs are small, and it'll be cool to see the cinematic sequences in full HDTV quality (1080p). I think that everybody that can play DNF will have enough computer to play that kind of video, so... why see cinematics that are so low-res that are blurrier than the actual game?

10-10-2005, 10:12 AM	#2
Kristian Joensen	Re: High resolution cinematics Sorry but there wont be any cinematics, everything will be seen though Duke Nukem's eyes just like in Prey(But there it is through Tommy Tawodi's eyes instead). __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-10-2005, 10:25 AM	#3
Imfamous	Re: High resolution cinematics DNF should stay true to Duke 3d and have no cinematics at all

10-10-2005, 10:28 AM	#4
crunchy superman	Re: High resolution cinematics ^ Indeed! I despise game cinematics! __________________

10-10-2005, 10:36 AM	#5
Cerberus_e	Re: High resolution cinematics I like cinematics at: the beginning of the level/end of the level. but not inbetween. in fact, I LOVE cutscenes at the beginning and/or end of the level

10-10-2005, 10:59 AM	#8
Kristian Joensen	Re: High resolution cinematics Yes that was very cool. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-10-2005, 11:04 AM	#10
Kristian Joensen	Re: High resolution cinematics What ? Have you seen the cutscenes from Prey ? __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-10-2005, 11:29 AM	#12
Imfamous	Re: High resolution cinematics Thanks for ignoring to read my second post.

10-10-2005, 12:05 PM	#14
Kristian Joensen	Re: High resolution cinematics Yes, I know that, but they exist. Wheter they technicaly are to be aclled cut scenes is another matter, they never the less are similiar and play the same role as cut scenes. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-10-2005, 12:09 PM	#15
avatar_58	Re: High resolution cinematics It would be good out of the player's eyes, or in game "moments" like in Doom 3.

10-10-2005, 04:14 PM	#18
Kristian Joensen	Re: High resolution cinematics But then what is a cutscene what is it you are objecting to ? Games with a story ? __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-10-2005, 04:19 PM	#19
BloodWolf806	Re: High resolution cinematics I think DNF should have cinematics from your perspective, like Half-Life 2 and Far Cry Instincts. __________________ You're beautiful when you're DYIN'

10-10-2005, 04:21 PM	#20
Kristian Joensen	Re: High resolution cinematics That is exactly how it is gonna be, that is 3D Realms design principle, we can expect ALL future 3D Reams games both 1st and 3rd party ones to be like that. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-10-2005, 04:35 PM	#21
Von Doom	Re: High resolution cinematics I think high-res cut-scenes would be killer. __________________ DR PROTON "Next time you kill someone... make sure they're dead." (Heavy Metal 2000)

10-10-2005, 04:43 PM	#22
big fat lazy	Re: High resolution cinematics I would prefer no cutscenes or cinematics.

10-10-2005, 06:32 PM	#27
Yatta	Re: High resolution cinematics No. Pre-rendered movie files have been extinct for a good while now. It can all be done in-engine and look better too. __________________ Visit Duke4.net - The largest Duke Nukem fan community on the net!

10-10-2005, 07:49 PM	#29
Gideon	Re: High resolution cinematics Pre-Rendered cut scenes have gone the way of the dodo, but I miss them. They we're a reward to me, and I enjoyed watching them, still do. Most engines now can do pretty good graphics, so they do them real-time. I would like to see the CG cutscene make a comeback though, even if it is in realtime. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: Mr3DMax (would love to play with 3DR fans!) http://www.planetunreal.com/expectations/

10-10-2005, 08:44 PM	#31
Emultra	Re: High resolution cinematics Well, I wouldn't want to be without Blizzards top notch cutscenes.

10-11-2005, 12:20 AM	#35
hell-angel	Re: High resolution cinematics How about cinematice at PC quality?? That is much better then HDTV quality.

10-11-2005, 05:41 AM	#37
Spyd	Re: High resolution cinematics While I guess that most (all?) of the in-game cinematic sequences will be done with the engine (I prefer it that way), I'm sure there are key points in DNF that are difficult to represent using the engine. And I know that sometimes a pre-rendered movie can break the inmersion, but not if is at the game start or after defeating a boss. So even if there are only two pre-rendered cinematic sequences (presentation, ending... whatever) I want them to be encoded in full HDTV glory. About tech stuff: HDTV video on PC needs a powerful computer; but you won't be playing DNF in a crappy PC. To fully enjoy HDTV, you need a high resolution monitor, but even in the standard 1024x768 resolution you can see the added crispness. Remember that the NTSC DVD resolution is 720x480. And DNF can have two versions of the cinematic sequences; one in standard resolution for the less powerful computers, and the other in high definition. Finally, even if you need a too-expensive computer to see the HD video, in one year even cheap computers will handle it without sweating... so it's a future investment.

10-11-2005, 06:25 AM	#38
hell-angel	Re: High resolution cinematics uhhmm, I could be wrong here but as far as I know, HDTV still has a lower resolution then a standard monitor. (CRT monitor of course). If I am wrong, what is the resolution of a HD TV?

10-11-2005, 08:41 AM	#39
Spyd	Re: High resolution cinematics It depends on the mode used. there are several modes: 480, 720, 1080; corresponding to the horintal lines, and every resolution has two options, interlaced or progressive. Interlaced means that the real video resolution is halved. The highest resolution is 1080p, that is 1920x1080. Here you have a graphic to see how compare the different resolutions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480i

10-11-2005, 08:50 AM	#40
EmperorZorn	Re: High resolution cinematics NO ! I wouldnt want cinematics other than intro and ending in DNF. Such things should take place ingame, in order not to break the immersion and to keep you on guard even during ingame conversions. I like watching out for enemies while talking to npcs :P Its more realistic.