From the archives, look what I found! - Page 2

Hudson · 07-16-2008, 05:00 PM

Damn, too rich for my blood at the moment. Would be cool though

Joe Siegler · 07-16-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hudson

Damn, too rich for my blood at the moment. Would be cool though

When I did this originally almost 10 years ago, one went for $125.

MrBlackCat · 07-16-2008, 07:15 PM

I am outbid on this one... maybe...

As a seller I can say that if it was possible in a new listing through an eBay option, I would not allow bidders with 30 or less positive feedback to bid on my auctions. One way I have compensated for this in the past is to require (in the first sentence of my listing) contact from anyone with negative feedback or less than 30 feedback... otherwise they are deleted from the auction and blocked from all my auctions. I have never gotten negative feedback from a buyer willing to communicate... the ones that don't read the auction and comply with my simply screening, are the problem. This does not work with snipers of course... but I have refused sale to snipers who didn't comply... at personal expense of course. I like the closed auction option where buyers can't bid on an item without being on the sellers list... that stops undeserved negative feedback almost completely. A downside to this the loss of many potential bidders who are not wise enough to realize why such drastic measures are necessary to preserve a good name and maintain regular sales.

The person bidding with zero feedback is a "dollar bidder" also which is great for sellers... drives that price up there... dollar bidders are the reason snipers must live in the shadows as we do... until the end of the auction. Then in the final seconds, to the limits of our hardware and connection speed, boldly stating our one and only final, thought out, calculated price... our all... is fired precisely into the auction... then the sweat starts as seconds turn into minutes as the screen refreshes with the news... good, bad, or ugly.

Well ok, sometimes I just click and then see if I won too... much less drama than the above.

Just my three cents...

Good luck on the second mug! This is the last one... better get that best bid in there!

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Mr.BlackCat (eBay)

Hudson · 07-16-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

When I did this originally almost 10 years ago, one went for $125.

Wow!

Damien_Azreal · 07-16-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

When I did this originally almost 10 years ago, one went for $125.

Holy shit. That was a good sale for a coffee mug.

MrBlackCat · 07-16-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

Holy shit. That was a good sale for a coffee mug.

No kidding... it isn't expensive to have coffee mugs made really. I wonder who many would sell if they were less expensive... say $10 to $20?
I suppose their value is more because they are rare than because they are simply of Dopefish.
I make my own Duke Nukem t-shirts for that reason as well... the real ones are not all that common and often expensive... compared to making them yourself. I don't think I will be making any Dopefish t-shirts or Duke coffee mugs though...

MrBlackCat

Joe Siegler · 07-17-2008, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

As a seller I can say that if it was possible in a new listing through an eBay option, I would not allow bidders with 30 or less positive feedback to bid on my auctions.

You can do that if you put it in your auction rules. I didn't do that, so I'm stuck.

DOSGuy · 07-17-2008, 02:31 PM

I feel safe with anyone over 10 with 100% positive feedback. That is, as safe as one can be on eBay. I once got screwed by a guy who was 75 with 100% positive feedback and two years of selling. He scheduled over a dozen auctions to end at roughly the same time, sent them all damaged or misrepresented goods, and closed his account when he got over 10 negatives a few hours apart. I didn't even get a chance to leave mine. I filed a complaint, and eBay said that I would have to prove that the item was worthless (which it was) by having it appraised, and they would give me 100% of my money back, minus a $42 fee. Since I had only paid $57, and I wasn't likely to get a signed appraisal for free, I just sucked it up and he got away with it. I stopped using eBay for years after that.

Anyway, don't go too hard on the 0s. Remember that we were all 0 at one time, and how mad would you have been if you weren't able to buy anything you wanted just because you were new? While I'm sure that others have, I've sold to a few 0s and never had a problem, but I've been nailed by people well over 50. It sickens me, but even people who have worked for years to establish a reputation can throw it all away to make a quick buck.

07-18-2008, 04:31 AM

If we all suddenly start not allowing less than 10 feedback then new users would never be able to buy.

Joe Siegler · 07-18-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by timothy2

If we all suddenly start not allowing less than 10 feedback then new users would never be able to buy.

I'm aware of that. But I've been burnt by zeroes more than once or twice.

MrBlackCat · 07-18-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by timothy2

If we all suddenly start not allowing less than 10 feedback then new users would never be able to buy.

I too am aware of that... which is why I offer the simple solution of asking the potential bidder with low feedback and negatives contacting me before they bid. If the potential bidder is too lazy to do that then they are the kind of person that no seller wants to deal with anyway.
I am not a hard-ass about it anyway usually... I usually contact a bidder with negatives and or low feedback and ask why they didn't contact me before placing a bid. If they don't respond in a day or so, or if they have a bad attitude about this simple filter, then I block delete them from my auction and block them from other auctions.
Right or wrong, I view my auctions much like the moderators do this forum... you are a guest and bidding is a privilege, not a right. Wise people (or bidders) don’t mind cautious people (or sellers) as they are able to put themselves in another’s shoes understanding the value of an earned status such as feedback.

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Mr.BlackCat (eBay)

peoplessi · 07-19-2008, 08:53 AM

Privilige? Yeah, not so much I'd say. It would be same if I said that: Usually when I buy stuff, the seller is priviliged to have me as a buyer.

MrBlackCat · 07-19-2008, 09:40 AM

It's cool to see someone from the board got the mug! Congratulations crunchysuperman.

I didn't get a chance to come back and bid on this one. Interesting it went for almost the same amount as the other one. I wonder what other undiscovered items like that might exist in the dark recesses of 3D Realms office?

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Originally Posted by peoplessi

Privilige? Yeah, not so much I'd say. It would be same if I said that: Usually when I buy stuff, the seller is priviliged to have me as a buyer.

I view the use of this message board as a privilege... I don't consider 3D Realms lucky that I use the system they provide. That would be very arrogant in my opinion... which is why (to me) it would not be the same if reversed.
The provider of this message board is no more dependent on us the users of the system as an auction seller is dependent on the buyers. Most sellers have no dependency on the auctions... they are luxury or service for most. Few sellers depend on expensive services like eBay for substantial income. Just as 3D Realms has this message board for fun as a service to their fans or customers, I sell for fun as a service to the hobby I enjoy and to assist with my collection. I could have collected everything I have without selling a single auction or being on gaming message boards etc... but it wouldn’t have been nearly as fun.

Think how many users have been blocked or kicked from this message board... just as sellers kick or block buyers from their auctions. Hundreds? I don’t really know, but I would bet it is a lot... this action (constant battle for Joe S and the Moderators), to me, supports the logic that this system is a privilege.

I am not saying it is 100% one sided, anyone knows these relationships are interdependent. I Notice that 3D Realms did very well for themselves before they had a message board, so I don’t feel I have done them a service by being here.
I am very pleased, or grateful, or (can’t think of the word) 3D Realms DOES have this system but they don’t owe it to me. If it were gone tomorrow I would miss it, but not feel as though something were taken from “me”. I would just feel lucky I got to be a part of this system as long as I have. In the same context, I don’t owe anyone the right to bid on my auctions. I view the opportunity for me to bid on some sellers auction as being a privilege.

(This was typed in real time with no editing so if the logic isn’t clear I will expand on it as desired.)

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Mr.BlackCat (eBay)

crunchy superman · 07-23-2008, 03:23 PM

Mug arrived safe and sound - thanks, Joe!

Steve · 07-24-2008, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by crunchy superman

Mug arrived safe and sound - thanks, Joe!

Congrats!

... I mean, bastard

Joe Siegler · 07-24-2008, 09:39 AM

The only ones I have left now are my personal mug, and a test mug that has the dopefish upside down. Those will never be sold, as they're my absolute last versions.

The personal mugs I made and gave to staff working here at the time have people's names on them.

Kalki · 07-24-2008, 10:26 AM

If you have the one that beat you at ROTT lying around, I'm sure there'll be a few bidders.

DOSGuy · 07-24-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crunchy superman

Mug arrived safe and sound - thanks, Joe!

As did mine. It just showed up today, with Joe's business card in it. I didn't want to admit to being the other buyer until I found out if it had survived the trip.

I thought it was appropriate for an archival website like Classic DOS Games to have a unique piece of memorabilia like this. Especially since I basically created the site to preserve Apogee (and MoraffWare) games.

Thank you very much, Joe.

Joe Siegler · 07-24-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalki

If you have the one that beat you at ROTT lying around, I'm sure there'll be a few bidders.

Hahaha. I think that was just a random coffee cup, I don't think it was one of these.

Malgon · 07-25-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalki

If you have the one that beat you at ROTT lying around, I'm sure there'll be a few bidders.

That made me laugh.

alexgk · 07-26-2008, 12:42 AM

Any plans for making DNF mugs?

The Cool One · 08-02-2008, 08:34 AM

nooo now I'll have to make my own coffee mug with a dopefish on it D:

Steve · 08-02-2008, 03:37 PM

I could always make a mug with dopefish on it

Superczar · 08-02-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

I could always make a mug with dopefish on it

Yeah and we can sell 'em on eBay! $$$!

Joe Siegler · 08-02-2008, 10:10 PM

You wouldn't have legal permission to do that.

Superczar · 08-02-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

You wouldn't have legal permission to do that.

We'll cut ya in on the action too...

Kennerado · 08-02-2008, 11:56 PM

lol, just don't tell Tom Hall.

Steve · 08-03-2008, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

You wouldn't have legal permission to do that.

Counterfeit dopfish mug operation

peoplessi · 08-03-2008, 12:12 PM

If you don't sell them, or mass produce them, there is nothing wrong with it. Making a mug for yourself isn't bad in my opinion.

Joe Siegler · 08-05-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Superczar

We'll cut ya in on the action too...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kennerado

lol, just don't tell Tom Hall.

It's id Software who owns the rights. Many years ago, they gave me permission to do that.

Jinroh · 08-05-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve

Counterfeit dopfish mug operation

lol. Here's a prototype!

:ROFLCOPTER:

XTHX2 · 08-05-2008, 03:10 PM

MSPaint ftw ! Right?

Jinroh · 08-05-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XTHX2

MSPaint ftw ! Right?

Correct! I should totally put those babies in my CafePress Store if anyone's interested.

08-06-2008, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jinroh

lol. Here's a prototype!

:ROFLCOPTER:

It should say something like:
"Move, move, famished."

Jinroh · 08-06-2008, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stinger

It should say something like:
"Move, move, famished."

lol. Yeah, that would be a good one. I was thinking about Invader Zim at the time and the "I Eat Food Poster." ^_^

07-18-2008, 04:31 AM	#49
timothy2 Guest	Re: From the archives, look what I found! If we all suddenly start not allowing less than 10 feedback then new users would never be able to buy.

07-24-2008, 09:39 AM	#56
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: From the archives, look what I found! The only ones I have left now are my personal mug, and a test mug that has the dopefish upside down. Those will never be sold, as they're my absolute last versions. The personal mugs I made and gave to staff working here at the time have people's names on them. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-02-2008, 10:10 PM	#65
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: From the archives, look what I found! You wouldn't have legal permission to do that. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

07-16-2008, 05:00 PM	#41
Hudson	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Damn, too rich for my blood at the moment. Would be cool though __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]

07-16-2008, 07:15 PM	#43
MrBlackCat	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I am outbid on this one... maybe... As a seller I can say that if it was possible in a new listing through an eBay option, I would not allow bidders with 30 or less positive feedback to bid on my auctions. One way I have compensated for this in the past is to require (in the first sentence of my listing) contact from anyone with negative feedback or less than 30 feedback... otherwise they are deleted from the auction and blocked from all my auctions. I have never gotten negative feedback from a buyer willing to communicate... the ones that don't read the auction and comply with my simply screening, are the problem. This does not work with snipers of course... but I have refused sale to snipers who didn't comply... at personal expense of course. I like the closed auction option where buyers can't bid on an item without being on the sellers list... that stops undeserved negative feedback almost completely. A downside to this the loss of many potential bidders who are not wise enough to realize why such drastic measures are necessary to preserve a good name and maintain regular sales. The person bidding with zero feedback is a "dollar bidder" also which is great for sellers... drives that price up there... dollar bidders are the reason snipers must live in the shadows as we do... until the end of the auction. Then in the final seconds, to the limits of our hardware and connection speed, boldly stating our one and only final, thought out, calculated price... our all... is fired precisely into the auction... then the sweat starts as seconds turn into minutes as the screen refreshes with the news... good, bad, or ugly. Well ok, sometimes I just click and then see if I won too... much less drama than the above. Just my three cents... Good luck on the second mug! This is the last one... better get that best bid in there! MrBlackCat (3D Realms Forums) Mr.BlackCat (eBay) __________________ YES! I do wear my Duke Xtreme t-shirt every day!* :) (Not really, sometimes I wear my Time to Kill* t-shirt... like while I am washing my other Duke shirts for instance.) :) Last edited by MrBlackCat; 07-16-2008 at 07:27 PM. Reason: Additional paragraph...

07-17-2008, 02:31 PM	#48
DOSGuy	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I feel safe with anyone over 10 with 100% positive feedback. That is, as safe as one can be on eBay. I once got screwed by a guy who was 75 with 100% positive feedback and two years of selling. He scheduled over a dozen auctions to end at roughly the same time, sent them all damaged or misrepresented goods, and closed his account when he got over 10 negatives a few hours apart. I didn't even get a chance to leave mine. I filed a complaint, and eBay said that I would have to prove that the item was worthless (which it was) by having it appraised, and they would give me 100% of my money back, minus a $42 fee. Since I had only paid $57, and I wasn't likely to get a signed appraisal for free, I just sucked it up and he got away with it. I stopped using eBay for years after that. Anyway, don't go too hard on the 0s. Remember that we were all 0 at one time, and how mad would you have been if you weren't able to buy anything you wanted just because you were new? While I'm sure that others have, I've sold to a few 0s and never had a problem, but I've been nailed by people well over 50. It sickens me, but even people who have worked for years to establish a reputation can throw it all away to make a quick buck. __________________ "Today entirely the maniac there is no excuse with the article." Get free DOS games at www.classicdosgames.com

07-19-2008, 08:53 AM	#52
peoplessi	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Privilige? Yeah, not so much I'd say. It would be same if I said that: Usually when I buy stuff, the seller is priviliged to have me as a buyer. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

07-23-2008, 03:23 PM	#54
crunchy superman	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Mug arrived safe and sound - thanks, Joe! __________________

07-24-2008, 10:26 AM	#57
Kalki	Re: From the archives, look what I found! If you have the one that beat you at ROTT lying around, I'm sure there'll be a few bidders. __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

07-26-2008, 12:42 AM	#61
alexgk	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Any plans for making DNF mugs? __________________ Playable demo this year! Confirmed!!

08-02-2008, 08:34 AM	#62
The Cool One	Re: From the archives, look what I found! nooo now I'll have to make my own coffee mug with a dopefish on it D: __________________ It's time to kick ass and compile KDE and I'm all out of swap

08-02-2008, 03:37 PM	#63
Steve	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I could always make a mug with dopefish on it

08-02-2008, 11:56 PM	#67
Kennerado	Re: From the archives, look what I found! lol, just don't tell Tom Hall. __________________ "Mark it ZERO!"

08-03-2008, 12:12 PM	#69
peoplessi	Re: From the archives, look what I found! If you don't sell them, or mass produce them, there is nothing wrong with it. Making a mug for yourself isn't bad in my opinion. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

08-05-2008, 03:10 PM	#72
XTHX2	Re: From the archives, look what I found! MSPaint ftw ! Right? __________________ ---HELLDUKE TC--- NEW STABLE MIRROR SECONDARY MIRROR ---GAMEPLAY VIDEO--- Gameplay Footage of my Mod.