Who else have seen it??

Sayantan · 10-29-2005, 01:26 AM

Who else have seen stuff of DNF other than the 3DR crew members and that Shack guy??

Just curious.

bittercold · 10-29-2005, 01:43 AM

Didn't you get the memo?

It had a whole video, plus a dozen screenshots.

All the forumers got it.

What's WRONG WITH YOU?

Airtraffic · 10-29-2005, 02:03 AM

Joe screwed up once and left 3DR's ftp site wide open,i saw some development shots and a few shots of Charlie doing some asswhoopin in MP.I though long and hard but in the end i decided i'm a real DNF fan and didn't show anyone else.

Sayantan · 10-29-2005, 03:31 AM

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Airtraffic said:
Joe screwed up once and left 3DR's ftp site wide open,i saw some development shots and a few shots of Charlie doing some asswhoopin in MP.I though long and hard but in the end i decided i'm a real DNF fan and didn't show anyone else.

Please don't play with my emotions. Is that true?

FireFly · 10-29-2005, 04:31 AM

Excluding the Shacker, that leaves:

PC Gamer - saw the game for the 1999 and 2005 writeups

Maarten Goldstein (Shacknews employee) - "I saw it in person in august 1999. Long, long time ago".

Brad Wernicke (3D Portal webmaster) - "I was at 3D Realms offices on July 19th, 2002, and George Broussard, and Ruben Cabrera both spent roughly an hour showing me Duke Nukem Forever".

He also had this to say in a PlanetCrap comment:

"I am one of the few people that have seen Duke Nukem Forever in development. I got a chance to see it this past July. While I am vowed not to go into detail, I can say that what I did see is nothing short of tremendous. I have no clue when it is coming out, but based on what I saw, it will not disappoint".

http://www.planetcrap.com/topics/636/521/

Rob Brown (previous Apogee employee) - "George and I said our hellos and then George says to me, 'Do you want to see some Duke Nukem Forever?' I was like a kid in a candy shop". This was in 2002, I think.

John Romero - "I saw DNF last time I was in Dallas and it looked very very nice". This was said in February 2004.

Take 2 employees - "I know they are extremely impressed with the current state of the game, having seen it just last week".

http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/vie...b9a664dd7#53663

Levelord - "We went to 3D Realms in the morning (that's 2pm in their time zone... and actually got to see Duke! Nobody sees Duke! I haven't seen Duke in over three years! ...but the Russians? ...they get to see Duke". Tuesday, May 24, 2005

http://www.levelord.com/

Earlier he said: "Believe you me, the game is worth the wait!"

I'm sure more people have seen it. I think I remember reading that Evil Avatar saw the game as well. Also, the '98 version of the game was shown behind the scenes at E3 to reporters.

Kalki · 10-29-2005, 04:35 AM

No but if it was true, they were probably too asswhooping to display on AT's comp.

Actually Joe did screw up once before E3 2001 when he accidentally posted pics of the GoD guys working on the DNF video(you could see scenes of the game on their monitors). He took it off immediately although at least one other person apart from me saw them.

FireFly · 10-29-2005, 04:38 AM

Did you see anything interesting? Strange that Charlie was allowed to post a screenshot though.

Kalki · 10-29-2005, 04:53 AM

No. One was I'm sure a shot of the mine-cart scene. The other had something round(possibly brown). You couldn't make out much tbh. You didn't miss much.

And while he was not an outsider, Joe Wampole did say something complimentary about the game when he introduced himself here.

Sayantan · 10-29-2005, 04:58 AM

Thanks a lot Firefly. I have to say that I can't wait.

Kristian Joensen · 10-29-2005, 05:09 AM

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FireFly said:
Did you see anything interesting? Strange that Charlie was allowed to post a screenshot though.

When was that ?

SyntaxN · 10-29-2005, 05:14 AM

Are you talking about those "screens"?

Kristian Joensen · 10-29-2005, 05:32 AM

I have never seen those before, what version are they from ?

dark_angel · 10-29-2005, 05:48 AM

^^^
2001 version.

Kristian Joensen · 10-29-2005, 06:06 AM

I thougth it might be the 1998 version, but I was apparently wrong.

Ivan · 10-29-2005, 06:37 AM

Joe saw the game right?

ADM · 10-29-2005, 07:07 AM

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Joe saw the game right?

Of course.

FireFly · 10-29-2005, 07:55 AM

I'm talking about the in-editor shot Charlie posted.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/4085

I can't find it now though.

SyntaxN · 10-29-2005, 08:11 AM

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I'm talking about the in-editor shot Charlie posted.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/4085

I can't find it now though.

This one?

FireFly · 10-29-2005, 08:20 AM

Yeah, that's it.

Kristian Joensen · 10-29-2005, 08:36 AM

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I'm talking about the in-editor shot Charlie posted.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/4085

I can't find it now though.

This one?

I remember that one.

Zaarin · 10-29-2005, 10:41 PM

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This one?

Who's the girl in the right-hand-corner? Looks familiar.

And before anybody ask: No, George didn't send me any screenshot for b-day present. Damn.

Sayantan · 10-29-2005, 11:36 PM

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SyntaxN said: This one?

Bud Bundy · 10-30-2005, 02:11 AM

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This one?

haha "to-do-list"

BioHazard · 10-30-2005, 03:24 AM

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FireFly said:

PC Gamer - saw the game for the 1999 and 2005 writeups

Didn't PCGamer also do a write-up with screenshots in 1997?

Kristian Joensen · 10-30-2005, 03:33 AM

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Sayantan said:

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SyntaxN said: This one?

Don't get too excited, that is from the 2001 version.

FireFly · 10-30-2005, 03:53 AM

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BioHazard said:
Didn't PCGamer also do a write-up with screenshots in 1997?

Yes, but it wasn't really a game at that point.

Kristian Joensen · 10-30-2005, 04:10 AM

But it arguably wasn't much of a game in 1999 either.

FireFly · 10-30-2005, 04:25 AM

Yes, but it was a game, the game 3D Realms were trying to make. It was obviously complete enough for them to show it to reporters. On the other hand George calls what was shown in 1997 a "mock up".

I don't think PC Gamer actually got to see the '97 version of the game, so that kind of makes this discussion irrelevant.

Kristian Joensen · 10-30-2005, 04:38 AM

Sure I agree with you about the 1997 "version" in fact as I understand it there never really was a "version" of the game in 1997. "It was obviously complete enough for them to show it to reporters." Sure but as I understand it what we saw in 2001 trailer was almost everything they had at that time. The 2001 version is obviosly the same as the 1999 version.

SyntaxN · 10-30-2005, 05:18 AM

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Sure I agree with you about the 1997 "version" in fact as I understand it there never really was a "version" of the game in 1997. "It was obviously complete enough for them to show it to reporters." Sure but as I understand it what we saw in 2001 trailer was almost everything they had at that time. The 2001 version is obviosly the same as the 1999 version.

That´s strange imo, they showed PCG the game in the end 1999, but 1 and a half year later they hadn´t much more than some empty levels

There was no restart since then, the models and textures in the 2001 trailer looked the same...

Kristian Joensen · 10-30-2005, 05:22 AM

I know, the reason is found in another thread. Here is a quote, the underlined portion is of particular interest when trying to answer your question:

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I think you are misunderstanding me, I am saying that becuase DNF's engine was in a constant state of flux 3D Realms encoutered some of the same problem that Valve did. I am not saying that Source was in a constant state of flux.

Here is a quote to demonstrate what I am talking about:

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By early 2003, the cabals were cranking away on game design, working on countless levels and collaborating with Laidlaw to make sure all the levels would fit into the larger storyline. Still, there were struggles during the early days of production. Namely, the core game technology was unstable and unfinished. Unlike Half-Life's development, in which Valve licensed the fully working Quake engine and built a game on top of it, Half-Life 2's development employed the Valve-created Source engine, which was a constant work in progress. In-game vehicles, for instance, weren't working when the cabals first started the design. That led to much frustration. "We needed levels built for vehicles but we didn't know how the vehicles would work," Newell says. "For instance, we didn't know how high off the ground the buggy could bounce." But since vehicles played a major role in the game, the cabals had to make assumptions about how they'd work."Unfortunately, those assumptions often turned out to be wrong," Newell says.

[u]3DR suffered from similar problem prior to the restart and probably until the tech was locked in by early 2003.</u>

Another similarity is found in this quote:

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By mid-2001, Valve had been working on Half-Life 2 for almost two years in complete secrecy. And what did it have to show for all its hard work? Not much. There was a rough script, a bunch of concept art, and tons of experimentation being performed with the technology. Now it was time for the team to try to blend all that technology together--the characters, the physics, and the new Source engine.

This sound almost EXACTLY like DNF, perhaps even worse. George said that some levels have remained from the 2001 version but they where only "early shells" any way. This quote makes it sound like Valve hadn't got ANY levels AT ALL by mid 2001.

There was ofcourse also the scrapped demo reel from 2002. Btw, there is also a similarity to the development of Half-Life:

"In a way, the failed proof-of-concept reel mirrored another failure in Valve's past. In the fall of 1997, Newell played through an early version of Half-Life, only to realize that the game wasn't any fun to play. So Valve scrapped the game and almost completely redesigned it in 12 months"

That last part also supports my point that game development was MUCH different when development started on DNF.

hell-angel · 10-31-2005, 01:41 AM

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Zaarin said:

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SyntaxN said:
This one?

Who's the girl in the right-hand-corner? Looks familiar.

Good question, she's very good looking.

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And before anybody ask: No, George didn't send me any screenshot for b-day present. Damn.

Did your birthday suck.

Joe Siegler · 10-31-2005, 09:36 AM

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Sayantan said:
Who else have seen stuff of DNF other than the 3DR crew members and that Shack guy??

Just curious.

Everyone but you.

Joe Siegler · 10-31-2005, 09:37 AM

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SyntaxN said:

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I'm talking about the in-editor shot Charlie posted.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/4085

I can't find it now though.

This one?

Wow, that's so old and out of date, it's not funny.

Echo Black · 10-31-2005, 09:44 AM

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Joe3DR said:

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SyntaxN said:

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I'm talking about the in-editor shot Charlie posted.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/4085

I can't find it now though.

This one?

Wow, that's so old and out of date, it's not funny.

Blame on you guys for not releasing any new material, so we have to drool over the old DNF media

Kristian Joensen · 10-31-2005, 09:45 AM

Joe, we DO know about the restart. We also know enough math to figure that that is more than 5 years old.

SyntaxN · 10-31-2005, 10:18 AM

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Joe3DR said:

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SyntaxN said:

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I'm talking about the in-editor shot Charlie posted.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/4085

I can't find it now though.

This one?

Wow, that's so old and out of date, it's not funny.

Ok, so please show us something from the current version

Gatinater · 10-31-2005, 12:51 PM

I saw it. I saw it all. With my spyware.

Lain · 10-31-2005, 02:09 PM

WTF are you guys talking about, DNF was released 1 month ago here in Mexico!

Big poppa · 10-31-2005, 02:36 PM

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WTF are you guys talking about, DNF was released 1 month ago here in Mexico!

Highly unlikely.

10-29-2005, 01:26 AM	#1
Sayantan	Who else have seen it?? Who else have seen stuff of DNF other than the 3DR crew members and that Shack guy?? Just curious. __________________ LinkedIn Profile

10-29-2005, 01:43 AM	#2
bittercold	Re: Who else have seen it?? Didn't you get the memo? It had a whole video, plus a dozen screenshots. All the forumers got it. What's WRONG WITH YOU? __________________ Honesty may cause deep wounds, but they are always clean.

10-29-2005, 02:03 AM	#3
Airtraffic	Re: Who else have seen it?? Joe screwed up once and left 3DR's ftp site wide open,i saw some development shots and a few shots of Charlie doing some asswhoopin in MP.I though long and hard but in the end i decided i'm a real DNF fan and didn't show anyone else. __________________ I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. - Albert Einstein

10-29-2005, 04:31 AM	#5
FireFly	Re: Who else have seen it?? Excluding the Shacker, that leaves: PC Gamer - saw the game for the 1999 and 2005 writeups Maarten Goldstein (Shacknews employee) - "I saw it in person in august 1999. Long, long time ago". Brad Wernicke (3D Portal webmaster) - "I was at 3D Realms offices on July 19th, 2002, and George Broussard, and Ruben Cabrera both spent roughly an hour showing me Duke Nukem Forever". He also had this to say in a PlanetCrap comment: "I am one of the few people that have seen Duke Nukem Forever in development. I got a chance to see it this past July. While I am vowed not to go into detail, I can say that what I did see is nothing short of tremendous. I have no clue when it is coming out, but based on what I saw, it will not disappoint". http://www.planetcrap.com/topics/636/521/ Rob Brown (previous Apogee employee) - "George and I said our hellos and then George says to me, 'Do you want to see some Duke Nukem Forever?' I was like a kid in a candy shop". This was in 2002, I think. John Romero - "I saw DNF last time I was in Dallas and it looked very very nice". This was said in February 2004. Take 2 employees - "I know they are extremely impressed with the current state of the game, having seen it just last week". http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/vie...b9a664dd7#53663 Levelord - "We went to 3D Realms in the morning (that's 2pm in their time zone... and actually got to see Duke! Nobody sees Duke! I haven't seen Duke in over three years! ...but the Russians? ...they get to see Duke". Tuesday, May 24, 2005 http://www.levelord.com/ Earlier he said: "Believe you me, the game is worth the wait!" I'm sure more people have seen it. I think I remember reading that Evil Avatar saw the game as well. Also, the '98 version of the game was shown behind the scenes at E3 to reporters. __________________ "I think the push for people to innovate in gameplay - i'm not sure that I particularly agree with it" John Carmack

10-29-2005, 04:35 AM	#6
Kalki	Re: Who else have seen it?? No but if it was true, they were probably too asswhooping to display on AT's comp. Actually Joe did screw up once before E3 2001 when he accidentally posted pics of the GoD guys working on the DNF video(you could see scenes of the game on their monitors). He took it off immediately although at least one other person apart from me saw them. __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

10-29-2005, 04:38 AM	#7
FireFly	Re: Who else have seen it?? Did you see anything interesting? Strange that Charlie was allowed to post a screenshot though. __________________ "I think the push for people to innovate in gameplay - i'm not sure that I particularly agree with it" John Carmack

10-29-2005, 04:53 AM	#8
Kalki	Re: Who else have seen it?? No. One was I'm sure a shot of the mine-cart scene. The other had something round(possibly brown). You couldn't make out much tbh. You didn't miss much. And while he was not an outsider, Joe Wampole did say something complimentary about the game when he introduced himself here. __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

10-29-2005, 04:58 AM	#9
Sayantan	Re: Who else have seen it?? Thanks a lot Firefly. I have to say that I can't wait. __________________ LinkedIn Profile

10-29-2005, 05:14 AM	#11
SyntaxN	Re: Who else have seen it?? Are you talking about those "screens"?

10-29-2005, 05:32 AM	#12
Kristian Joensen	Re: Who else have seen it?? I have never seen those before, what version are they from ? __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-29-2005, 05:48 AM	#13
dark_angel	Re: Who else have seen it?? ^^^ 2001 version. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever - Crysis - Castle Wolfenstein - Bioshock - CMR : Dirt www.Duke4.net - The ultimate source for 3DRealms next-gen game - DNF " Life rewards no death for immortals " - dark_angel

10-29-2005, 06:06 AM	#14
Kristian Joensen	Re: Who else have seen it?? I thougth it might be the 1998 version, but I was apparently wrong. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-29-2005, 06:37 AM	#15
Ivan	Re: Who else have seen it?? Joe saw the game right?

10-29-2005, 07:55 AM	#17
FireFly	Re: Who else have seen it?? I'm talking about the in-editor shot Charlie posted. http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/4085 I can't find it now though. __________________ "I think the push for people to innovate in gameplay - i'm not sure that I particularly agree with it" John Carmack

10-29-2005, 08:20 AM	#19
FireFly	Re: Who else have seen it?? Yeah, that's it. __________________ "I think the push for people to innovate in gameplay - i'm not sure that I particularly agree with it" John Carmack

10-30-2005, 04:10 AM	#27
Kristian Joensen	Re: Who else have seen it?? But it arguably wasn't much of a game in 1999 either. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-30-2005, 04:25 AM	#28
FireFly	Re: Who else have seen it?? Yes, but it was a game, the game 3D Realms were trying to make. It was obviously complete enough for them to show it to reporters. On the other hand George calls what was shown in 1997 a "mock up". I don't think PC Gamer actually got to see the '97 version of the game, so that kind of makes this discussion irrelevant. __________________ "I think the push for people to innovate in gameplay - i'm not sure that I particularly agree with it" John Carmack

10-30-2005, 04:38 AM	#29
Kristian Joensen	Re: Who else have seen it?? Sure I agree with you about the 1997 "version" in fact as I understand it there never really was a "version" of the game in 1997. "It was obviously complete enough for them to show it to reporters." Sure but as I understand it what we saw in 2001 trailer was almost everything they had at that time. The 2001 version is obviosly the same as the 1999 version. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-31-2005, 09:45 AM	#36
Kristian Joensen	Re: Who else have seen it?? Joe, we DO know about the restart. We also know enough math to figure that that is more than 5 years old. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

10-31-2005, 12:51 PM	#38
Gatinater	Re: Who else have seen it?? I saw it. I saw it all. With my spyware.

10-31-2005, 02:09 PM	#39
Lain	Re: Who else have seen it?? WTF are you guys talking about, DNF was released 1 month ago here in Mexico! __________________ Frag=Superczar kissing my shotgun.. Wii code: 1999-5973-3442-4435 Brawl: 3050-7344-2657