The Name

04-24-2005, 04:18 AM

I still hope they can change the name. Tommy Hawk just sounds aweful and too much loke 'Tony Hawk'. Everyone'll going: "Tommy Hawk? Isn't that that skateboard dude?"

Now Tommy Brave sounds better.

Everyone agree?

Needle · 04-24-2005, 04:28 AM

native american -> tomahawk -> Tommy Hawk.

Sounds like a regular 3D Realms/Apogee charakter name to me: silly. He'll fit right in with "Commander Keen", "Duke Nukem" and "Max Payne". Obviously, they're doing this intentionally:
http://dukenukem.typepad.com/game_ma...yne_the_m.html

X-Vector · 04-24-2005, 04:53 AM

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Needle said:
native american -> tomahawk -> Tommy Hawk.

Can someone confirm (or preferably deny) that it's actually Tommy Hawk,
the PCG only mentions his first name.

If this is indeed the case, then I see your

and raise it by a million more of 'em.

Beelze · 04-24-2005, 05:28 AM

I agree. It should be Tom Hawk, or Thomas Hawk.

X-Vector · 04-24-2005, 05:50 AM

If it were up to me, it'd be Tommy Tipi.

Cerberus_e · 04-24-2005, 08:03 AM

they should get another family name.
now hawk

Evil Angel · 04-24-2005, 08:18 AM

I don't seen what the problem is. It's a play on the word tomahawk so anything else like Tom Hawk just wouldn't really work. It's very similar in style to Max Payne and no one really had a problem with that. It's such a simple pun that anyone who doesn't get it or starts saying /puts on dumb hillbilly voice.. "Tommy Hawk. Is that the skaterboarder dude?" deserves to hear a very sarcastic "Yes. Yes it is that skateboarder dude. The story goes, he's turned into a native American and decided to take a vacation on an alien spacecraft where he will use his elite skills to smash aliens around the head with his board until they promise to stop trying to take over the world".

04-24-2005, 09:33 AM

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I don't seen what the problem is. It's a play on the word tomahawk so anything else like Tom Hawk just wouldn't really work. It's very similar in style to Max Payne and no one really had a problem with that. It's such a simple pun that anyone who doesn't get it or starts saying /puts on dumb hillbilly voice.. "Tommy Hawk. Is that the skaterboarder dude?" deserves to hear a very sarcastic "Yes. Yes it is that skateboarder dude. The story goes, he's turned into a native American and decided to take a vacation on an alien spacecraft where he will use his elite skills to smash aliens around the head with his board until they promise to stop trying to take over the world".

It's called marketing. You want a main character that will do many games, making a franchise as Joe called it, you need a name that is recognized instantly, that is unique: Duke Nukem, Max Payne, Lo Wang, Talon Brave, Mario, Luigi, Link, Zelda, are examples of those kinds of names. You need a name that instanly dredges up images of the character, as well as the games. Tommy Hawk just isn't that kind of name, especially sounds FAR too much like Tony Hawk. Now Tommy Brave, might work, but Tommy Hawk doesn't; it doesn't have the recognition factor; doesn't have a unique sound that immeidately dredges up certain images in your brain, it sounds too much like an already big name - which you only want if you make something similar weedling people to buy your product because it sounds and is confused with the bigger name.

Gryph · 04-24-2005, 09:43 AM

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I agree. It should be Tom Hawk, or Thomas Hawk.

It should be Timmy Hawk.

MeatWagon · 04-24-2005, 09:47 AM

Tommy Hawk sounds like a Native American stereotype.
It could be worse though

Vexed · 04-24-2005, 09:48 AM

Seems to dredge up a lot of images for you, though.

Needle · 04-24-2005, 10:13 AM

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You need a name that instanly dredges up images of the character, as well as the games. Tommy Hawk just isn't that kind of name

It's the "Prey" franchise though, not the "Tommy Hawk" franchise.

JackpotDen · 04-24-2005, 10:25 AM

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I agree. It should be Tom Hawk, or Thomas Hawk.

It should be Timmy Hawk.

TIMMAAH!

04-24-2005, 10:26 AM

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You need a name that instanly dredges up images of the character, as well as the games. Tommy Hawk just isn't that kind of name

It's the "Prey" franchise though, not the "Tommy Hawk" franchise.

Prey was the first Talon Brave game in the 98 video, so it seems it's the character, and the next game might not be called Prey, or Prey 2 at all.

Evil Angel · 04-24-2005, 11:07 AM

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I don't seen what the problem is. It's a play on the word tomahawk so anything else like Tom Hawk just wouldn't really work. It's very similar in style to Max Payne and no one really had a problem with that. It's such a simple pun that anyone who doesn't get it or starts saying /puts on dumb hillbilly voice.. "Tommy Hawk. Is that the skaterboarder dude?" deserves to hear a very sarcastic "Yes. Yes it is that skateboarder dude. The story goes, he's turned into a native American and decided to take a vacation on an alien spacecraft where he will use his elite skills to smash aliens around the head with his board until they promise to stop trying to take over the world".

It's called marketing. You want a main character that will do many games, making a franchise as Joe called it, you need a name that is recognized instantly, that is unique: Duke Nukem, Max Payne, Lo Wang, Talon Brave, Mario, Luigi, Link, Zelda, are examples of those kinds of names. You need a name that instanly dredges up images of the character, as well as the games. Tommy Hawk just isn't that kind of name, especially sounds FAR too much like Tony Hawk. Now Tommy Brave, might work, but Tommy Hawk doesn't; it doesn't have the recognition factor; doesn't have a unique sound that immeidately dredges up certain images in your brain, it sounds too much like an already big name - which you only want if you make something similar weedling people to buy your product because it sounds and is confused with the bigger name.

I don't know if some people are missing the pun here or what but it's Tommy Hawk for a reason. ie Tomahawk. It's one of those cliched play on words and one that has been around for a lot longer than 3D Realms they just happened to copyright it. It's like Tommy Gun for instance. Tommy Brave, Tommy Talon, Tommy Tank or whatever the hell else doesn't work as a pun. It's meaningless and doesn't strike ANY chord nevermind about it being the right or wrong one. And as for people confusing it with Tony Hawk well I just don't see it as a problem. The game is called Prey and that's what will be on the box. Anyone who can't handle 2 completely different genres of games where the characters happen to share a surname is possibly a little bit dumb in all fairness.

Also names like Mario, Luigi, Duke Nukem etc are instantly recongnisable because you have something to relate them to. No one has heard or seen anything of this character yet to be able to form a relationship with it. I can remember when sonic the hedgehog was first introduced as this direct competitor to mario and everyone was like sonic the frickin hedgehog wtf. But look at it now and it seems totally natural and everyone knows about it.

dale h · 04-24-2005, 11:39 AM

So i take it its not gonna be a 'Talon Brave' game any more? How come they ditched that, always thought it had a great sound to it, very catchy?

Nacho · 04-24-2005, 11:39 AM

Why can't the character's name remain Talon Brave?

Needle · 04-24-2005, 11:48 AM

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You need a name that instanly dredges up images of the character, as well as the games. Tommy Hawk just isn't that kind of name

It's the "Prey" franchise though, not the "Tommy Hawk" franchise.

Prey was the first Talon Brave game in the 98 video, so it seems it's the character, and the next game might not be called Prey, or Prey 2 at all.

Highly doubtful. The name "Prey" is already known in the gaming world. Why should they drop it for a second part?

Needle · 04-24-2005, 11:53 AM

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Why can't the character's name remain Talon Brave?

Probably because they want him to be more real than, say, Duke. Talon sounds like a comic superhero, not like a real person.

JackpotDen · 04-24-2005, 12:08 PM

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Why can't the character's name remain Talon Brave?

Talon is his hawk/eagle thigny

Nacho · 04-24-2005, 12:14 PM

Switch the names.

Nailed · 04-24-2005, 12:28 PM

When I heard of the name change, it did turn me off to the character. The name Tommy reminds me of a little kid, not a grown man who's going to save Earth.

It's probably too late to change it now (dialogue has been recorded, etc), but man, Tommy? I just can't get the image of a 5 year old boy running around with his mom yelling at him.

Oh well, I guess it will grow on me.

Ivan · 04-24-2005, 12:54 PM

Billy Hawk sounds the best to me.

04-24-2005, 01:04 PM

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I don't know if some people are missing the pun here or what but it's Tommy Hawk for a reason. ie Tomahawk. It's one of those cliched play on words and one that has been around for a lot longer than 3D Realms they just happened to copyright it. It's like Tommy Gun for instance. Tommy Brave, Tommy Talon, Tommy Tank or whatever the hell else doesn't work as a pun. It's meaningless and doesn't strike ANY chord nevermind about it being the right or wrong one.

Cliched puns, there you have the problem. Further Tommy Hawk doesn't sound nice, and it sounds too much like Tony Hawk. It just doesn't have it.

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And as for people confusing it with Tony Hawk well I just don't see it as a problem. The game is called Prey and that's what will be on the box. Anyone who can't handle 2 completely different genres of games where the characters happen to share a surname is possibly a little bit dumb in all fairness.

"Not being able to handle", and "instantly bringing up a character and his/her games" are too separate things. Besides, it's not just about people like us who know all the games, it's about people who only casually play games; or their and our loved ones/family/friends. When they're wondering about what gift to buy, the name needs to jump immediately to them when they see it on a box.

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Also names like Mario, Luigi, Duke Nukem etc are instantly recongnisable because you have something to relate them to. No one has heard or seen anything of this character yet to be able to form a relationship with it. I can remember when sonic the hedgehog was first introduced as this direct competitor to mario and everyone was like sonic the frickin hedgehog wtf. But look at it now and it seems totally natural and everyone knows about it.

Exactly, which is EXACTLY why you DON'T want to have a character's name sounding a lot like another character's name.

Kristian Joensen · 04-24-2005, 01:06 PM

I don't just like this name, I really really really love it. The best charcter name anyone ever has thougth up for any form media ever created.

Ivan · 04-24-2005, 01:07 PM

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I don't just like this name, I really really really love it. The best charcter name anyone ever has thougth up for any form media ever created.

Max Payne's way better.

04-24-2005, 01:08 PM

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You need a name that instanly dredges up images of the character, as well as the games. Tommy Hawk just isn't that kind of name

It's the "Prey" franchise though, not the "Tommy Hawk" franchise.

Prey was the first Talon Brave game in the 98 video, so it seems it's the character, and the next game might not be called Prey, or Prey 2 at all.

Highly doubtful. The name "Prey" is already known in the gaming world. Why should they drop it for a second part?

Because if Tommy defeats the aliens, he won't be prey anymore.

X-Vector · 04-24-2005, 01:22 PM

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The best charcter name anyone ever has thougth up for any form media ever created.

I crown you king of sarcasm.

Kristian Joensen · 04-24-2005, 01:24 PM

I wasn't being sarcastic.

Cerberus_e · 04-24-2005, 01:25 PM

tommy hawk, who wants some earth's saviour?

Vexed · 04-24-2005, 01:30 PM

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3D Master said:
You need a name that instanly dredges up images of the character, as well as the games. Tommy Hawk just isn't that kind of name

It's the "Prey" franchise though, not the "Tommy Hawk" franchise.

Prey was the first Talon Brave game in the 98 video, so it seems it's the character, and the next game might not be called Prey, or Prey 2 at all.

Highly doubtful. The name "Prey" is already known in the gaming world. Why should they drop it for a second part?

Because if Tommy defeats the aliens, he won't be prey anymore.

That's assuming he defeats them in Prey.

Cerberus_e · 04-24-2005, 01:41 PM

aliens are tommy's prey

Mr.Sociopath · 04-24-2005, 01:53 PM

Duke Hawk

Vexed · 04-24-2005, 02:03 PM

Steven Hawk

Ivan · 04-24-2005, 02:10 PM

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Duke Hawt

Fixed that for you!

Wamplet · 04-24-2005, 02:24 PM

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I still hope they can change the name. Tommy Hawk just sounds aweful and too much loke 'Tony Hawk'. Everyone'll going: "Tommy Hawk? Isn't that that skateboard dude?"

Now Tommy Brave sounds better.

Everyone agree?

Agreed.

Lengis · 04-24-2005, 04:13 PM

Tommy Hawk is stupid.

04-24-2005, 04:18 PM

I think Tommy Hawk is perfect. It's a realistic name like Tony Hawk and Tommy-Lee. Talon Brave is not as realistic. Who out there do you know who has a first name of Talon? Or a last name of Brave for that matter? Not very many, if none at all, I'd suspect.

The main character is going to be an anti hero from what I've gathered. Just a normal Native American guy put into a difficult situation. Tommy Hawk is great for that and you get that pun with the word tomohawk to keep the guy's name stuck in your head.

Ivan · 04-24-2005, 04:23 PM

Why is it so important to 3DR? A realistic name doesn't mean a realistic game, or vice-versa.

Lengis · 04-24-2005, 04:26 PM

>>>>>>>It's a realistic name like Tony Hawk and Tommy-Lee. Talon Brave is not as realistic. Who out there do you know who has a first name of Talon? Or a last name of Brave for that matter? Not very many, if none at all, I'd suspect.

No, it's not a realistic name. Why is the first name American? It would be Indian if you want it to be realistic. Hawk isn't Indian either.

04-24-2005, 04:18 AM	#1
3D Master Guest	The Name I still hope they can change the name. Tommy Hawk just sounds aweful and too much loke 'Tony Hawk'. Everyone'll going: "Tommy Hawk? Isn't that that skateboard dude?" Now Tommy Brave sounds better. Everyone agree?

04-24-2005, 04:18 PM	#38
Viper Knight Guest	Re: The Name I think Tommy Hawk is perfect. It's a realistic name like Tony Hawk and Tommy-Lee. Talon Brave is not as realistic. Who out there do you know who has a first name of Talon? Or a last name of Brave for that matter? Not very many, if none at all, I'd suspect. The main character is going to be an anti hero from what I've gathered. Just a normal Native American guy put into a difficult situation. Tommy Hawk is great for that and you get that pun with the word tomohawk to keep the guy's name stuck in your head.

04-24-2005, 04:28 AM	#2
Needle	Re: The Name native american -> tomahawk -> Tommy Hawk. Sounds like a regular 3D Realms/Apogee charakter name to me: silly. He'll fit right in with "Commander Keen", "Duke Nukem" and "Max Payne". Obviously, they're doing this intentionally: http://dukenukem.typepad.com/game_ma...yne_the_m.html

04-24-2005, 05:28 AM	#4
Beelze	Re: The Name I agree. It should be Tom Hawk, or Thomas Hawk.

04-24-2005, 05:50 AM	#5
X-Vector	Re: The Name If it were up to me, it'd be Tommy Tipi. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

04-24-2005, 08:03 AM	#6
Cerberus_e	Re: The Name they should get another family name. now hawk

04-24-2005, 08:18 AM	#7
Evil Angel	Re: The Name I don't seen what the problem is. It's a play on the word tomahawk so anything else like Tom Hawk just wouldn't really work. It's very similar in style to Max Payne and no one really had a problem with that. It's such a simple pun that anyone who doesn't get it or starts saying /puts on dumb hillbilly voice.. "Tommy Hawk. Is that the skaterboarder dude?" deserves to hear a very sarcastic "Yes. Yes it is that skateboarder dude. The story goes, he's turned into a native American and decided to take a vacation on an alien spacecraft where he will use his elite skills to smash aliens around the head with his board until they promise to stop trying to take over the world".

04-24-2005, 09:47 AM	#10
MeatWagon	Re: The Name Tommy Hawk sounds like a Native American stereotype. It could be worse though

04-24-2005, 09:48 AM	#11
Vexed	Re: The Name Seems to dredge up a lot of images for you, though. __________________ "People are bastards, bastard coated bastards with bastard filling."

04-24-2005, 11:39 AM	#16
dale h	Re: The Name So i take it its not gonna be a 'Talon Brave' game any more? How come they ditched that, always thought it had a great sound to it, very catchy?

04-24-2005, 11:39 AM	#17
Nacho	Re: The Name Why can't the character's name remain Talon Brave?

04-24-2005, 12:14 PM	#21
Nacho	Re: The Name Switch the names.

04-24-2005, 12:28 PM	#22
Nailed	Re: The Name When I heard of the name change, it did turn me off to the character. The name Tommy reminds me of a little kid, not a grown man who's going to save Earth. It's probably too late to change it now (dialogue has been recorded, etc), but man, Tommy? I just can't get the image of a 5 year old boy running around with his mom yelling at him. Oh well, I guess it will grow on me.

04-24-2005, 12:54 PM	#23
Ivan	Re: The Name Billy Hawk sounds the best to me.

04-24-2005, 01:06 PM	#25
Kristian Joensen	Re: The Name I don't just like this name, I really really really love it. The best charcter name anyone ever has thougth up for any form media ever created. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

04-24-2005, 01:24 PM	#29
Kristian Joensen	Re: The Name I wasn't being sarcastic. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

04-24-2005, 01:25 PM	#30
Cerberus_e	Re: The Name tommy hawk, who wants some earth's saviour?

04-24-2005, 01:41 PM	#32
Cerberus_e	Re: The Name aliens are tommy's prey

04-24-2005, 01:53 PM	#33
Mr.Sociopath	Re: The Name Duke Hawk

04-24-2005, 02:03 PM	#34
Vexed	Re: The Name Steven Hawk __________________ "People are bastards, bastard coated bastards with bastard filling."

04-24-2005, 04:13 PM	#37
Lengis	Re: The Name Tommy Hawk is stupid.

04-24-2005, 04:23 PM	#39
Ivan	Re: The Name Why is it so important to 3DR? A realistic name doesn't mean a realistic game, or vice-versa.

04-24-2005, 04:26 PM	#40
Lengis	Re: The Name >>>>>>>It's a realistic name like Tony Hawk and Tommy-Lee. Talon Brave is not as realistic. Who out there do you know who has a first name of Talon? Or a last name of Brave for that matter? Not very many, if none at all, I'd suspect. No, it's not a realistic name. Why is the first name American? It would be Indian if you want it to be realistic. Hawk isn't Indian either.