Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! - Page 4

EvilJeff · 06-12-2009, 01:44 PM

this is what happens when you spend all your years in development constantly changing engines and re-working assets, you have little/no time to focus on the most important part of a game - the GAMEPLAY. If it was truly interactive and fun, it would have sold, despite being on a slightly aged engine - I mean, look at Duke3D, that was popular based on the same principle: fun gameplay>somewhat aged graphics.

Skullmonkey · 06-12-2009, 01:47 PM

The more I examine the leaked footage and the leaked screenshots, I just think Prey enemies, Prey graphics, Prey gameplay....

Prey, Prey, Prey, Prey.

It's not that Prey was a bad game, no it's just that DNF should not be a Prey clone. Anyway, I'll stick to Duke Nukem 3D for now....maybe for several years....maybe FOREVER.

alessnet · 06-12-2009, 05:42 PM

But is Prey really programmed by 3drealms ? I heard that Prey was finished by another studio. If it is true and if DNF looks a lot like Prey, perhaps a major part of DNF was build on an engine made from another studio.

Duke's New Chainsaw · 06-12-2009, 06:48 PM

Only thing that reminds me of Prey is the 'organic' stuff around the dam.

lordlonelobo · 06-12-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by alessnet

But is Prey really programmed by 3drealms ? I heard that Prey was finished by another studio. If it is true and if DNF looks a lot like Prey, perhaps a major part of DNF was build on an engine made from another studio.

Prey was made by Human Head. I'm not sure what engine Prey used, but DNF uses a highly modified version of the Unreal Engine 2.

But honestly, the visuals aren't usually the same between different games based on a certain engine. Look at Arkham Asylum, it's based on UE3, but looks nothing like Unreal Tournament 3.

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Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

Only thing that reminds me of Prey is the 'organic' stuff around the dam.

Yeah. I only played the Prey demo, but really, Prey was more about walking on walls and things than anything we saw in DNF.

jaimie10 · 06-12-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul

Just what are you expecting, ffs?

Something a lot better considering they've been developing this game for 12 years. It looked OK, but for the length of time, money spent, delays etc no it's not good enough and certainly not deserving of the hype. I'm not a cynic and neither am I a fanboy. I like games and this looks like it would be fun to play, but as others have said it looks like your stock standard run of the mill FPS. It's been done before. Guy runs around killing bad guys with an assortment of weapons. Yay.

Thriller · 06-12-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jaimie10

Something a lot better considering they've been developing this game for 12 years. It looked OK, but for the length of time, money spent, delays etc no it's not good enough and certainly not deserving of the hype. I'm not a cynic and neither am I a fanboy. I like games and this looks like it would be fun to play, but as others have said it looks like your stock standard run of the mill FPS. It's been done before. Guy runs around killing bad guys with an assortment of weapons. Yay.

But thats not why most of us want this game. I mean, the key point is interactivity. We have seen none of it. Unless we count some pipes or whatever blowing up/falling in battle, but lets not. What we´ve seen is the run of the mill part of the game. Its said to have a lot more than that. Hopefully we´ll see.

The scenes from the leaked video looks a lot more interesting though. I find it really odd that 3DR choosed to show this less exciting part on Jace Halls show. I mean, the leaked material is probably a lot newer, but its not like a game is made level by level so it cant really be that they only had that to show.

Morry · 06-12-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lordlonelobo

Prey was made by Human Head. I'm not sure what engine Prey used, but DNF uses a highly modified version of the Unreal Engine 2.

Prey was built on the Doom 3 engine.

nels · 06-12-2009, 10:30 PM

stop judging this game from a few seconds of random walking around and a few kills. it is meant to be an action game too, just how much interactivity do you want? surely most of the time you will be shooting the shit out of enemies. GB wanted to keep all the interactivity and main game features secret, so im sure what jace is showing off is just snippets of the least special bits.

We already saw from the other video duke jumping on enemies, ripping out parts of their body (pressing keys to do so) .. the stadium was actually him playing on a arcade machine (pretty sure there will be more of that, especially in casino) and the parts with pigs jumping over the roofs looked cool, and the door slamming onto one of the pigs was quite funny.. and duke giving the finger and all that crap..

If you just didn't look at this jace footage, and only watched the other footage, your whole judgment of DNF would be kick ass, fun and exciting.. but now you watch a bit of old shaky camera footage and everything has changed!

Also what about the older trailers, they looked packed full of excitement, you really think they revamped it into a boring dark doom3 style game? I DONT THINK SO.

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, and you all got yours, maybe I just have some hope thats clouding MY judgment. The game probably will never be released anyway lol

DarkJedi2 · 06-13-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nels

stop judging this game from a few seconds of random walking around and a few kills. it is meant to be an action game too, just how much interactivity do you want? surely most of the time you will be shooting the shit out of enemies. GB wanted to keep all the interactivity and main game features secret, so im sure what jace is showing off is just snippets of the least special bits.

We already saw from the other video duke jumping on enemies, ripping out parts of their body (pressing keys to do so) .. the stadium was actually him playing on a arcade machine (pretty sure there will be more of that, especially in casino) and the parts with pigs jumping over the roofs looked cool, and the door slamming onto one of the pigs was quite funny.. and duke giving the finger and all that crap..

If you just didn't look at this jace footage, and only watched the other footage, your whole judgment of DNF would be kick ass, fun and exciting.. but now you watch a bit of old shaky camera footage and everything has changed!

Also what about the older trailers, they looked packed full of excitement, you really think they revamped it into a boring dark doom3 style game? I DONT THINK SO.

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, and you all got yours, maybe I just have some hope thats clouding MY judgment. The game probably will never be released anyway lol

I am right there with you. Also, people keep saying "this game has been in development for 12 years", well, no, it hasn't, it got restarted on new custom tech, so what you saw in this video was extremely early gameplay after the restart. Normally you'd never even show the game publicly at such an early stage unless it was on a controlled and heavily scripted trailer. I'm still surprised they allowed him to film in-game... That requires balls of steel to say the least.

We also all agree that the leaked gameplay video looks heaps better than the Jace Hall build, so why are we even talking about this? It's exactly the same as basing your judgement of Duke Nukem 3D purely on the gameplay seen in LameDuke... For those who don't know, google 'LameDuke', it is a publicly available beta version of Duke3D showing its progress 14 months before release (for reference, the Jace Hall footage is approximately 18 months old - it was already 6 months old when it was released May 2008).

terrannova · 06-13-2009, 01:48 PM

So I just watched the DNF demo from the new Jace Hall episode footage from this last Thursday and wow...

The game is not like what I saw at the 2001 E3. That is Duke.

The game looks more like Prey or BioShock perhaps mixed together. There is a ton of organic everywhere, lots of flesh and green blood. Sure, this is probably only one or two levels of what was to be the finished Duke Nukem Forever but that is most disappointing. I was looking forward to fighting in between slot machines and backgammon tables in Las Vegas, not taking a trip to Xen.

This is not the Duke I was expecting. I certainly hope if the game is released at some point in the next year or two that the focus remains on the defense of Earth and defeating "the aliens responsible for shooting up my ride" and not taking a trip to Tommy's Prey universe.

However, through all of this I continue to have faith that one day the game will deliver and it will be just as awesome as Duke 3D.

wieder · 06-13-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi2

I am right there with you. Also, people keep saying "this game has been in development for 12 years", well, no, it hasn't, it got restarted on new custom tech, so what you saw in this video was extremely early gameplay after the restart.

Incorrect.

Caine · 06-13-2009, 04:12 PM

i can puke always to read this, so it is no excuse to restart, the fact is IT IS IN DEVELOPMENT FOR OVER 12 YEARS! the project, not the current build perhaps. man why dont people use their brains sometimes, sorry.

Lt.Havoc · 06-13-2009, 04:33 PM

Well, first off, that footage is 2 years old, secondly he played the Dam level that had the typical Dam interior and several parts where taken over by the Aliens, thats why it looked like Prey (organic matter covering the walls). The Demo Reel showed some Desert Level and some mine, but we didnt saw anything else. Its still not enough to really judge the game, because we dont even know from what time the Demo Reel was.

So in the end, its a bit useless to argure about the footage we saw because its clearly not enough to do so.

DarkJedi2 · 06-14-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wieder

Incorrect.

So you're saying it wasn't restarted 2006/2007?

Lethe · 06-15-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi2

So you're saying it wasn't restarted 2006/2007?

No, he's probably saying that is not such an old build like people claim it to be.

DarkJedi2 · 06-15-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lethe

No, he's probably saying that is not such an old build like people claim it to be.

Who knows, but I think the post needs clarification... It looks like the current build... I'd be surprised if it isn't. That's not really the point of my post though, a lot of time has passed since then, so it is still like comparing LameDuke to Duke3D. You can't really compare the 18 month old footage with what they will have now. Also, compared to the screenshots I've seen, this level seems to be one of the less interesting ones.

wieder · 06-15-2009, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi2

So you're saying it wasn't restarted 2006/2007?

Correct.

DarkJedi2 · 06-15-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wieder

Correct.

Can you elaborate a little more without breaking any NDA's?

marioman360 · 06-15-2009, 04:58 AM

everybody is freaking out about how dark and bland it looks, IT'S THE MINE LEVEL! we've know there was going to be a mine level since 1998 when the first trailer hit. stop your whining.

did everybody forget all those wonderful leaked screenshots already?

DarkJedi2 · 06-15-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by marioman360

everybody is freaking out about how dark and bland it looks, IT'S THE MINE LEVEL! we've know there was going to be a mine level since 1998 when the first trailer hit. stop your whining.

did everybody forget all those wonderful leaked screenshots already?

I second this...

X-Vector · 06-15-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by marioman360

did everybody forget all those wonderful leaked screenshots already?

You mean the ones with the dark and bland looking cityscape and desert?

Kristian Joensen · 06-15-2009, 07:23 AM

Leading question.

prophecy holder · 06-15-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by X-Vector

You mean the ones with the dark and bland looking cityscape and desert?

Also Duke's liquid metal fingers.

wieder · 06-15-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi2

Can you elaborate a little more without breaking any NDA's?

The game you saw there is an obvious (to people who knew it at the time) continuation of the same game and tech that existed at the start of 2006. Significant iteration has happened of course.

KareBear · 06-15-2009, 11:11 AM

It was most likely mainly an art update that happened around 2006/2007.Its mentioned in the comments here,

http://www.gameguru.in/action/2007/2...#comment-11044

http://www.gameguru.in/action/2007/2...#comment-11123

Here are what some of the older characters in this iteration of Dnf looked like,

http://www.duke4.net/comment.php?comment.news.276

I know Charlie worked there while the characters looked like that,

http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=9690842

wieder · 06-15-2009, 11:24 AM

Heh... I guess the TAD43D dude wasn't as insightful as he thought he was, and wound up having to swallow his "shock".

/slow sighing head shake

Doppelgofer · 06-15-2009, 11:34 AM

i wonder if a copy of the game from the 2001 trailer exists somewhere still

terrannova · 06-15-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Doppelgofer

i wonder if a copy of the game from the 2001 trailer exists somewhere still

I may be willing to pay a lot of money for a workable copy of the 2001-E3 version of Duke Nukem Forever.

Surely someone kept a backup somewhere, it's the version that got most of the world into DNF in the first place.

3rdmillhouse · 06-15-2009, 02:16 PM

eheheh Wieder's posts like "correct" and "incorrect" make me think his next ones will be something like "I'm afraid you can't do that, Dave."

DarkShadows · 06-15-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rdmillhouse

eheheh Wieder's posts like "correct" and "incorrect" make me think his next ones will be something like "I'm afraid you can't do that, Dave."

That or "I don't think so, Tim".

DarkJedi2 · 06-16-2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by terrannova

I may be willing to pay a lot of money for a workable copy of the 2001-E3 version of Duke Nukem Forever.

Surely someone kept a backup somewhere, it's the version that got most of the world into DNF in the first place.

Well, since that version won't be released as a boxed product anyway, I hope 3DR would release it as a gift for the public, or something like that. Unrealistic, I know... But I can dream right? Now where did I put that lottery ticket...

Monkey Butler · 06-16-2009, 06:46 AM

I'm pretty sure George has said that the 2001 build doesn't exist any more in any state, and that basically what you saw in the vid was as much gameplay as they had at that time anyway.

DarkJedi2 · 06-16-2009, 07:46 AM

Well, I'm hoping they can at least give us something to keep us busy... surely an older build that looks different to the current one exists somewhere... right?

predl · 06-16-2009, 07:55 AM

*if* there is any chance that the final dnf will sometimes be released then 3dr would for sure not release the older version as a gift as they have a lot in common (story, etc.)

KaiserSoze · 06-16-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristian Joensen

Leading question.

Sustained!

DarkJedi2 · 06-17-2009, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by predl

*if* there is any chance that the final dnf will sometimes be released then 3dr would for sure not release the older version as a gift as they have a lot in common (story, etc.)

Yeah I know... but I still hope they do

, as unlikely as it is.

X-Vector · 06-17-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

Sustained!

Denied.

Rhetorical question.

lordlonelobo · 06-17-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by X-Vector

Denied.

Rhetorical question.

It's actually called "Overruled."

Mr Bear · 06-18-2009, 07:18 AM

Someone's been watching their L&O.

06-12-2009, 01:44 PM	#121
EvilJeff	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! this is what happens when you spend all your years in development constantly changing engines and re-working assets, you have little/no time to focus on the most important part of a game - the GAMEPLAY. If it was truly interactive and fun, it would have sold, despite being on a slightly aged engine - I mean, look at Duke3D, that was popular based on the same principle: fun gameplay>somewhat aged graphics.

06-12-2009, 01:47 PM	#122
Skullmonkey	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! The more I examine the leaked footage and the leaked screenshots, I just think Prey enemies, Prey graphics, Prey gameplay.... Prey, Prey, Prey, Prey. It's not that Prey was a bad game, no it's just that DNF should not be a Prey clone. Anyway, I'll stick to Duke Nukem 3D for now....maybe for several years....maybe FOREVER.

06-12-2009, 05:42 PM	#123
alessnet	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! But is Prey really programmed by 3drealms ? I heard that Prey was finished by another studio. If it is true and if DNF looks a lot like Prey, perhaps a major part of DNF was build on an engine made from another studio. Last edited by alessnet; 06-12-2009 at 06:43 PM.

06-12-2009, 06:48 PM	#124
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! Only thing that reminds me of Prey is the 'organic' stuff around the dam. __________________ The Great Communicator!

06-12-2009, 10:30 PM	#129
nels	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! stop judging this game from a few seconds of random walking around and a few kills. it is meant to be an action game too, just how much interactivity do you want? surely most of the time you will be shooting the shit out of enemies. GB wanted to keep all the interactivity and main game features secret, so im sure what jace is showing off is just snippets of the least special bits. We already saw from the other video duke jumping on enemies, ripping out parts of their body (pressing keys to do so) .. the stadium was actually him playing on a arcade machine (pretty sure there will be more of that, especially in casino) and the parts with pigs jumping over the roofs looked cool, and the door slamming onto one of the pigs was quite funny.. and duke giving the finger and all that crap.. If you just didn't look at this jace footage, and only watched the other footage, your whole judgment of DNF would be kick ass, fun and exciting.. but now you watch a bit of old shaky camera footage and everything has changed! Also what about the older trailers, they looked packed full of excitement, you really think they revamped it into a boring dark doom3 style game? I DONT THINK SO. But hey, I guess that's my opinion, and you all got yours, maybe I just have some hope thats clouding MY judgment. The game probably will never be released anyway lol Last edited by nels; 06-12-2009 at 10:34 PM.

06-13-2009, 01:48 PM	#131
terrannova	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! So I just watched the DNF demo from the new Jace Hall episode footage from this last Thursday and wow... The game is not like what I saw at the 2001 E3. That is Duke. The game looks more like Prey or BioShock perhaps mixed together. There is a ton of organic everywhere, lots of flesh and green blood. Sure, this is probably only one or two levels of what was to be the finished Duke Nukem Forever but that is most disappointing. I was looking forward to fighting in between slot machines and backgammon tables in Las Vegas, not taking a trip to Xen. This is not the Duke I was expecting. I certainly hope if the game is released at some point in the next year or two that the focus remains on the defense of Earth and defeating "the aliens responsible for shooting up my ride" and not taking a trip to Tommy's Prey universe. However, through all of this I continue to have faith that one day the game will deliver and it will be just as awesome as Duke 3D.

06-13-2009, 04:12 PM	#133
Caine	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! i can puke always to read this, so it is no excuse to restart, the fact is IT IS IN DEVELOPMENT FOR OVER 12 YEARS! the project, not the current build perhaps. man why dont people use their brains sometimes, sorry.

06-13-2009, 04:33 PM	#134
Lt.Havoc	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! Well, first off, that footage is 2 years old, secondly he played the Dam level that had the typical Dam interior and several parts where taken over by the Aliens, thats why it looked like Prey (organic matter covering the walls). The Demo Reel showed some Desert Level and some mine, but we didnt saw anything else. Its still not enough to really judge the game, because we dont even know from what time the Demo Reel was. So in the end, its a bit useless to argure about the footage we saw because its clearly not enough to do so. __________________ "Goverment is not the solution to our problem. Goverment IS the problem." Ronald Reagan "Go ahead, make my Day!" "Dirty" Harry Callahan

06-15-2009, 04:58 AM	#140
marioman360	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! everybody is freaking out about how dark and bland it looks, IT'S THE MINE LEVEL! we've know there was going to be a mine level since 1998 when the first trailer hit. stop your whining. did everybody forget all those wonderful leaked screenshots already? __________________ Please forgive the stupid username.

06-15-2009, 07:23 AM	#143
Kristian Joensen	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! Leading question. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

06-15-2009, 11:11 AM	#146
KareBear	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! It was most likely mainly an art update that happened around 2006/2007.Its mentioned in the comments here, http://www.gameguru.in/action/2007/2...#comment-11044 http://www.gameguru.in/action/2007/2...#comment-11123 Here are what some of the older characters in this iteration of Dnf looked like, http://www.duke4.net/comment.php?comment.news.276 I know Charlie worked there while the characters looked like that, http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=9690842 Last edited by KareBear; 06-15-2009 at 11:15 AM.

06-15-2009, 11:24 AM	#147
wieder	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! Heh... I guess the TAD43D dude wasn't as insightful as he thought he was, and wound up having to swallow his "shock". /slow sighing head shake

06-15-2009, 11:34 AM	#148
Doppelgofer	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! i wonder if a copy of the game from the 2001 trailer exists somewhere still __________________ GANDHI BUS!!!111

06-15-2009, 02:16 PM	#150
3rdmillhouse	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! eheheh Wieder's posts like "correct" and "incorrect" make me think his next ones will be something like "I'm afraid you can't do that, Dave."

06-16-2009, 06:46 AM	#153
Monkey Butler	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! I'm pretty sure George has said that the 2001 build doesn't exist any more in any state, and that basically what you saw in the vid was as much gameplay as they had at that time anyway.

06-16-2009, 07:46 AM	#154
DarkJedi2	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! Well, I'm hoping they can at least give us something to keep us busy... surely an older build that looks different to the current one exists somewhere... right?

06-16-2009, 07:55 AM	#155
predl	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! if there is any chance that the final dnf will sometimes be released then 3dr would for sure not release the older version as a gift as they have a lot in common (story, etc.)

06-18-2009, 07:18 AM	#160
Mr Bear	Re: Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday! Someone's been watching their L&O.