Theory of the D-day

[Golden Diva]

Yeah, except that everyone here knows Scott's reaction was targetting the "DNF is over now", and not the june 6th or E3 uberoptimistic theories.
The only substantial piece of information in this reply is the fact that DNF still isn't officially cancelled (maybe paused forever, but not cancelled)
So, no, Partha doesn't know anything Scott himself doesn't ...

[JoshuaTheOtaku]

Originally Posted by Golden Diva

Yeah, except that everyone here knows Scott's reaction was targetting the "DNF is over now", and not the june 6th or E3 uberoptimistic theories.
The only substantial piece of information in this reply is the fact that DNF still isn't officially cancelled (maybe paused forever, but not cancelled)
So, no, Partha doesn't know anything Scott himself doesn't ...

That's assuming we can trust either of them. I think your on the wrong side of the equation with this one, Golden Diva. Just because a game has not been officially anounced as cancelled does not mean it isn't dead. Many games have died but were never officially cancelled and never will be. They just stop being officially shown off or discussed and quietly ceased development/production. Nightmare Creatures 3 for example, or George Romero's City of the Dead or Terminal Reality's Nocturne 2 or Guillermo Del Toro's Sundown and the Road Rash reboot (and countless others). Those were not ever officially anounced as cancelled but they are dead games that were cancelled (if quietly and without an anouncement).

[Golden Diva]

That's exactly what I meant by "paused forever".
Maybe the game will never see the light of day, but even if it is the case, Altered Reality doesn't know anything about this, and neither does anyone else.
One thing is certain however : Scott and George don't like seeing the words "Duke", "Nukem", "Forever" and "cancelled" in the same sentence.

[JoshuaTheOtaku]

Understood. Also, please understand, I wasn't attacking you. No not at all, just suggesting some information you may not have known.

[BugsBunny]

Don't forget that Prey was in limbo land for years too before 3DR used HumanHead to develop and release it. And with DNF so near completion state when the internal studio got packed off, I wouldnt be to un-wise to assume the same for DNF.

[VrX]

+ DNF is too "big" and it won't simply go quietly and without an anouncement!
not after 13 years...

[Rapture_Rising]

Originally Posted by BugsBunny

Don't forget that Prey was in limbo land for years too before 3DR used HumanHead to develop and release it. And with DNF so near completion state when the internal studio got packed off, I wouldnt be to un-wise to assume the same for DNF.

The truth is that we dont know how close DNF was to completion when the internal dev team got canned and its only an assumption that it was nearly completed, at the moment DNF could be anywhere between 50% to 100% completed.

Originally Posted by VrX

+ DNF is too "big" and it won't simply go quietly and without an anouncement!
not after 13 years...

DNF was going to be big (and will be to us) but i doubt that if 3DR did officially cancel DNF that everyone might be dissapointed at first and will ultimately get over it.

[JobivanHiob]

DNF is too big to fail! Just like Goldman Sachs.

[Rapture_Rising]

Originally Posted by JobivanHiob

DNF is too big to fail! Just like Goldman Sachs.

Yeah... and if DNF does fail, it wont leave a lot of people bankrupt.

[KaiserSoze]

D-Day is Duke day and it shall be glorious.

[Zeromaeus]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

D-Day is Duke day and it shall be glorious.

Duke Day will be July 34th. Calling it here and now.

[prophecy holder]

D-day actually means Dumbass day. Where anybody who beleived anything would happen on that particular day was a dumbass.

[BugsBunny]

Good heavens people. Its very simple. D-Day represents the day when DNF was handed over to a third party developer to complete. In September 2009, the Prey IP was sold to zenimax for millions of dollars , I read some where it was 11 million but please don't count me on that "11" figure, and then in Nov 2009 the game was assigned to a 3rd party developer. Hence on Nov 26, 2009, Scott Miller wrote on Facebook "Duke Nukem doesn't stay down for long." which was quickly followed by a "D-Day" preview pic on Nov 28. Confident that DNF will be in finished state before the Take 2 court case comes up, and hence Take 2's case will be blown away, Scot then posted on 2nd Dec in Facebook "These guys don't stand a chance" and "Heh heh, who am I talking about? You got two guesses. ". Clearly Scott was Scott was super confident to blow Take 2 away after the events in Nov 26, 2009.On December 7th, Scott couldn't hold it any longer and blurted out "Duke Nukem says it's gonna happen, and when it does, shock and awesome. " See a pattern evolving. The game was handed over to a 3rd party developer on 26th of Nov, hence the D-Day pic on 28th of Nov, the confidence that Take 2 doesn't stand a chance on Dec 2 and finally the statement that "it's gonna happen, and when it does, shock and awesome. " on Dec 7, 2009.

So D-Day is the day when DNF was assigned to a 3rd party developer ? Problem solved ? God 7 pages of posts for this ?!

[JobivanHiob]

@BugsBunny

It could very well be so. I previously was of the opinion that they already found an external developer in Summer 2009. But if they started working on DNF again in December DNF could make an end of 2010 - early 2011 release! Oh damn no release discussion in here!

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by BugsBunny

So D-Day is the day when DNF was assigned to a 3rd party developer ? Problem solved ?

Only if it's true.

Even then the problem won't be solved unless it's released.

[cof_3pc]

Originally Posted by BugsBunny

Good heavens people. Its very simple. D-Day represents the day when DNF was handed over to a third party developer to complete. In September 2009, the Prey IP was sold to zenimax for millions of dollars , I read some where it was 11 million but please don't count me on that "11" figure, and then in Nov 2009 the game was assigned to a 3rd party developer. Hence on Nov 26, 2009, Scott Miller wrote on Facebook "Duke Nukem doesn't stay down for long." which was quickly followed by a "D-Day" preview pic on Nov 28. Confident that DNF will be in finished state before the Take 2 court case comes up, and hence Take 2's case will be blown away, Scot then posted on 2nd Dec in Facebook "These guys don't stand a chance" and "Heh heh, who am I talking about? You got two guesses. ". Clearly Scott was Scott was super confident to blow Take 2 away after the events in Nov 26, 2009.On December 7th, Scott couldn't hold it any longer and blurted out "Duke Nukem says it's gonna happen, and when it does, shock and awesome. " See a pattern evolving. The game was handed over to a 3rd party developer on 26th of Nov, hence the D-Day pic on 28th of Nov, the confidence that Take 2 doesn't stand a chance on Dec 2 and finally the statement that "it's gonna happen, and when it does, shock and awesome. " on Dec 7, 2009.

So D-Day is the day when DNF was assigned to a 3rd party developer ? Problem solved ? God 7 pages of posts for this ?!

Man... that is a REALLY good theory. I mean, I wish I had thought of it.

There's just one problem.... You just made it all up with absolutely no proof. It is 100% unreasonable speculation.

I want DNF as much as the next guy, but come on....



For the record, I can't honestly believe you're taking yourself seriously, so don't get bent out of shape.

[Zeromaeus]

Wait, he was being serious?
Crap. That sucks for him.

[cof_3pc]

I doubt it, but you never know with these people.

[BugsBunny]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

Man... that is a REALLY good theory. I mean, I wish I had thought of it.

There's just one problem.... You just made it all up with absolutely no proof. It is 100% unreasonable speculation.

I want DNF as much as the next guy, but come on....

For the record, I can't honestly believe you're taking yourself seriously, so don't get bent out of shape.

Originally Posted by Zeromaeus

Wait, he was being serious?
Crap. That sucks for him.

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

I doubt it, but you never know with these people.

Sorry I am not a console teenager who doesn't look around for proofs myself before commenting to make themselves look intellectual. If you want proofs, then heres your proofs.

Point 1. Prey IP sold to Zenimax around Sept, 2009

ZeniMax Media Acquires Rights To 'Prey'

Source: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175944

Do a Google search yourself and you can't find plenty of more links.

Point 2. Scott Miller clearly states that he prefers working with external developers

“I think I would have abandoned internal development six or seven years ago. I much prefer to work with external studios to develop games, as we did with [Remedy Entertainment on] Max Payne and [Human Head Studios on] Prey. Radar [Group] is following this very model, with no internal development...it's much more cost effective for us, with lower risk."

Source: http://edge-online.com/news/miller-“...es-development

Point 3. Officially and legally 3DR admits in their court document in the court case against Take 2, that DNF is still in development

The disclosure can be found within court documents relating to the franchise, and specifically reads "[3D Realms/Apogee Ltd.] admits that it has continually worked on the development of the DNF for many years, and continues to do so".

Source: http://kotaku.com/5300592/duke-nukem...in-development

Point 4. Scott Miller himself says that Duke Doesn't stay down for long, posts a D-Day preview pic, and then says it's gonna happen, and when it does, shock and awesome



Source: Duke Nukem Facebook Page maintained by Scott Miller himself

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Duke-Nukem/186028571601

So next time you want to criticize someone else's theory, do some search yourself, provide yourselves a better theory, or just keep quite and go back to your consoles. Or else go to a doctor to get your own heads into shape.

[Zeromaeus]

Originally Posted by BugsBunny

Sorry I am not a console teenager who doesn't look around for proofs myself before commenting to make themselves look intellectual. If you want proofs, then heres your proofs.

Point 1. Prey IP sold to Zenimax around Sept, 2009



Source: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175944

Do a Google search yourself and you can't find plenty of more links.

Point 2. Scott Miller clearly states that he prefers working with external developers



Source: http://edge-online.com/news/miller-“...es-development

Point 3. Officially and legally 3DR admits in their court document in the court case against Take 2, that DNF is still in development



Source: http://kotaku.com/5300592/duke-nukem...in-development

Point 4. Scott Miller himself says that Duke Doesn't stay down for long, posts a D-Day preview pic, and then says it's gonna happen, and when it does, shock and awesome



Source: Duke Nukem Facebook Page maintained by Scott Miller himself

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Duke-Nukem/186028571601

So next time you want to criticize someone else's theory, do some search yourself, provide yourselves a better theory, or just keep quite and go back to your consoles. Or else go to a doctor to get your own heads into shape.

Holy crap he is serious.

On a serious note myself, cool beans dude. I'd like to see that. there's still no concrete evidence as to when, where, how, etc. Speculation remains speculation.
There's nothing I'd like more than playing Duke Nukem Forever.

[glade23]

Originally Posted by Zeromaeus

Holy crap he is serious.

On a serious note myself, cool beans dude. I'd like to see that. there's still no concrete evidence as to when, where, how, etc. Speculation remains speculation.
There's nothing I'd like more than playing Duke Nukem Forever.

i agree 100% with him ^

[cof_3pc]

Yeah, really. You've done a mighty fine job attempting to make a case for yourself, but it's still just a bunch of crap speculation. You're taking indirect post on facebook you can't even prove is Scott, and twisting them into evidence.

As Sherlock Holmes once said, "Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."


You get an A for effort though.

[Zeromaeus]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

Yeah, really. You've done a mighty fine job attempting to make a case for yourself, but it's still just a bunch of crap speculation. You're taking indirect post on facebook you can't even prove is Scott, and twisting them into evidence.

As Sherlock Holmes once said, "Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."


You get an A for effort though.

I just saw that movie. It was great.

[cof_3pc]

Well that exact quote is from the books. He basically says the same thing in the movie, just a little bit different wording.

I'm a big Holmes fan.

[Zeromaeus]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

Well that exact quote is from the books. He basically says the same thing in the movie, just a little bit different wording.

I'm a big Holmes fan.

Its been a while since I read Holmes. The movie is fresh on me mind.

[BugsBunny]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

Yeah, really. You've done a mighty fine job attempting to make a case for yourself, but it's still just a bunch of crap speculation. You're taking indirect post on facebook you can't even prove is Scott, and twisting them into evidence.

As Sherlock Holmes once said, "Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

You get an A for effort though.

It is a well known fact that that facebook page is created and maintained by Scott Miller himself. And I am glad to know you are a Sherlock Holmes fan. So you should know these quotes very well my friend

"There is nothing as deceptive as an obvious fact" and "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

After all I am a Sherlock Holmes fan myself and was re-reading all his stories right now from the last month onwards. To tell you the truth, the experience from reading the book is way way better then watching an episode/movie for the same story. The book just kicks ass and chews bubble gum :thumbsup:

[cof_3pc]

Yes, agree, but he also leaves all possibilities open until it is 100% proven. I personally have not seen this proof that Scott Miller runs Duke's page. I mean why would Scott Miller post saying Jon St.Jon confirmed DNF? It seems both likely and unlikely from certain positions.

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

You are right.

Duke Nukem runs his own facebook page.

[Commando Nukem]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

Yes, agree, but he also leaves all possibilities open until it is 100% proven. I personally have not seen this proof that Scott Miller runs Duke's page. I mean why would Scott Miller post saying Jon St.Jon confirmed DNF? It seems both likely and unlikely from certain positions.

It is run by Scott Miller, it was confirmed. He said he was going to set the thing up. So please, enough of this.

[cof_3pc]

Prove it.

[DerricktheW]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

Prove it.

You're the one who doubts it, so go prove it to yourself, because we ALL know its official.

No sense trying to "prove" something when only one person doubts it.

[JobivanHiob]

exactly! Just because you're not up to date doesn't mean we have to prove it too every single time.

[Zeromaeus]

Originally Posted by DerricktheW

You're the one who doubts it, so go prove it to yourself, because we ALL know its official.

No sense trying to "prove" something when only one person doubts it.

Well if everyone knows it, it should be easy to prove.

[DerricktheW]

Originally Posted by Zeromaeus

Well if everyone knows it, it should be easy to prove.

Its like how theres air. Everyone knows it exists and its there, but yet theres someone out there "PROVE THAT AIR ACTUALLY EXISTS BECAUSE YOU CANT SEE IT OR ANYTHING"

[cof_3pc]

Originally Posted by DerricktheW

You're the one who doubts it, so go prove it to yourself, because we ALL know its official.

No sense trying to "prove" something when only one person doubts it.

I just like how worked up you get about it. You can silence me when you prove it.

[DerricktheW]

The fact that that profile gives out XBLA codes

The fact it had screenshots noone could possibly have

And that Scott Miller himself said it was official

[digimonkey]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

Yes, agree, but he also leaves all possibilities open until it is 100% proven. I personally have not seen this proof that Scott Miller runs Duke's page. I mean why would Scott Miller post saying Jon St.Jon confirmed DNF? It seems both likely and unlikely from certain positions.

Did you see the Jon St. Jon interview? It's rather obvious why he put a question mark after that post because Jon St. Jon indirectly confirmed development of the game by stating he wasn't "allowed" to talk about it.

[Conan of Cooma]

Originally Posted by cof_3pc

I just like how worked up you get about it. You can silence me when you prove it.

Oh, I see, another one of these "I didn't see it, so it's not possible" people.

And I serious doubt you would stick to your claim; as soon as the proof was provided, you would launch into another tirade. You're just of the "special" people, I guess.

[Edli]

Originally Posted by Conan of Cooma

Oh, I see, another one of these "I didn't see it, so it's not possible" people.

And I serious doubt you would stick to your claim; as soon as the proof was provided, you would launch into another tirade. You're just of the "special" people, I guess.

His name must be Derpy McHerpinson.

[cof_3pc]

Originally Posted by DerricktheW

The fact that that profile gives out XBLA codes

The fact it had screenshots noone could possibly have

And that Scott Miller himself said it was official

So? Maybe it's George. George was giving out the codes at the same exact time on his Twitter. Why doesn't Scott give them out on his page then?