Is Vinnie truly dead....?

[worr]

Yeah, I saw the dream sequence game show with Vlad giving Vinnie a chance to save himself (not sure if this is what really happened) and then I remembered that as Mona enters her grounds, she comes across the Baseball Boy Bat costume and I couldn't see any "remains".

She does comment on "poor bastard", still for a moment there, I was wondering if perhaps Vinnie had cheated the reaper there.

[Acleacius]

This has been discussed some and most think he is dead, Sadly. Many wished they had done it differently and not killed him, me included.
Well there arent any actual body parts but there is blodd on the head, thou I couldnt find blood on the other parts

It funny there are several referances to, the costume and the bomb, before he is actually tricked into it.

On the chalkboard in Vliad's office both times we go there and of course Vliads car.

[Xenomrph]

Vinnie exploded. I'm pretty sure he's history.

[Bruce Hamilton]

Vinnie exploded. I'm pretty sure he's history.

Max made sure he was dead in the first game, didn't mean anything...

[Twiddlenem]

Actually, Max was about to kill him and then all you heard was Max uncocking his Beretta and walking away.

[Xenomrph]

Max made sure he was dead in the first game, didn't mean anything...

Nope, Max spared his life in the first game.

[Orochi Avlis]

Vinnie does die in MP2. Look at the suit, it's covered in blood.

[toksic]

ya, but why are there no um....body parts?
If the explosion was big enough for disintegration, that suit would be history too..... Vinnie lives.....

[Twiddlenem]

He's finished...instead of pleading for Vinnie's life we should be concentrating on keeping Mona alive. :P

[Acleacius]

We can only hope

If they do bring him back, I hope Sam eases up on Vinne, some. Playing him as a foolish jerk, brings forth much needed humor (im not bitchn). Its just part about him beating girls is a little severe. I agree this is an important topic (I used to teach womens and childerns self-defence) but Vinnie (imho) is a great fall guy creation. Humor and Violence towards women shouldnt be in the same charater, please seperate this important topic out of the humor combo.

Violence against females is the perfect topic for revenge gaming thou, imho.

Its obvious what a funny guys Sam and the Dev's are, it frustrating to seem them forced to keep such an absolute film noir no happiness game by some fans. I play games and watch moives to be entertained not to be constanly forced forced into some negitive ending just to get few extremist ROCKS off

Well, we have to argue that we never see him explode. The real proof we have that Vinnie died is the TV show in Max's dream, and of course we know how much dreams lie If the bomb was strong enough to put a crater in the floor, Vlad wouldn't really have wanted to be anywhere near the thing when it went off. With Vlad away, Vinnie could have snuck off without the bomb exploding. And the red blood was probably just the anti-theft ink stuff the store Vlad stole it from put on to make sure people know it's stolen

[Xenomrph]

With Vlad away, Vinnie could have snuck off without the bomb exploding.

Vinnie explicitly says, if he tampers with the suit, it goes off.
Vinnie's history, folks.

[Gamebrain]

Yea. I actually felt sorry for the poor guy.

WHOS GONNA OWN ALL OF THOSE CAPTAIN BASEBALL BAT STUFF?

Well, Vinnie isn't the brightest bulb in the lamp

[toksic]

no one is going to own that Captain baseball bat boy stuff......I shot it all to pieces. Vinnie was pissed....

[Orochi Avlis]

To end this: Vinnie was in a suit. His body parts still continue in the suit. The only body part that would be out of the suit would be head, which in turn had a FREAKIN bomb attached to it. Of course his head would be nowhere in sight due to the explosion.
And ask yourselves this: Would Vlad let Vinnie go free? I think not. They were at war, you don't capture the enemy's general and let him leave. And besides Vlad was gonna kill Max for alot less.
Face it: Vinnie's dead, move on.

P.S. I too feel sorry for Vinnie. Poor guy

[Wamplet]

The reason there are no body parts or remains outside of a little blood is the fact that Vlad is a cannibal and dined on Vinnie's blackened corpse.

I thought it was common knowledge that Vlad favored Italian food.

[Acleacius]

Aslo the question is would Vlad have been standing to close to Vinne if the bomb is big enough to blow a crater in the floor (as mentioned ) . Also why was Vlad trying to bring Max and Vinne in to Monas apartment. Either case Vlad would have died, too.
Maybe he is dead, I hope not
This is EXACTLY why I hate when well develpoed charaters get killed off for basicly, nothing, if he is dead,
Basicly this didnt really fit as well as other parts of the story. This is basicly out in the middle of now where, where were Vlad's vehicles, if he just missed Max at Vodka and the Garage how did he get to the FunHouse. Also why would Vlad pres the button when he, Man and Vinne are in the same room. Im not really being picking its just a cool story and while it makes think to solve the Mystery, we shouldnt think to hard on it

Heh, heh eating flesh

[Wamplet]

I thought Vlad walked off to a different area before exploding Vinnie and then going back to resume dining on his flesh?

[Xenomrph]

I thought Vlad walked off to a different area before exploding Vinnie and then going back to resume dining on his flesh?

That's true. Vlad walks off (we see it in the graphic novel scene at the beginning of the level where Mona saves Max) and then the bomb goes off.

[Wamplet]

^ Yeah, that is what i meant. The novel showed him in a different scene. Mona found the remains and it looked nothing like the area that Vlad was in, when he pushed the button on the remote.

[Acleacius]

I guess your right, I had just played it , that part about them trying to get Vinne upstairs, stuck in my mind.

Thou now that you mention that scene of him pressing the button they were leaving in 2 cleaner vans, if I recall. Like that wouldnt have been notciable


EDIT: It was the Dream sequence that thru me off, in it, Vlad presses teh button right there where he is questioning Vinne

[maxpayne.co.uk]

Vinnie must come back, he was like one of my fave characters!

Anything can be written into MP3's storyline....

[worr]

Well, considering that Mona was shot and left for dead in MP1 and Max himself was shot and took a tumble down into a pit for some distance and THEN waking up in the recovery room and HAVING the strength to fight his way out of the hospital ONLY to have Vlad shoot him again (in the head of all places) and finally..... Mona hits him over the head WITH her delcaration of her undying love and THEN he falls again, only this time with Vlad and..... I think you get the picture.

If Max can take this much punishment, then anything is possible.

[Twiddlenem]

Well, how would they bring him back in MP3? Would he be a friend or enemy of Max? I think it's important that Max's only real friend be Mona. That was the role she played for the whole game. In MP1 he was 'a man with nothing to lose.' In MP2, he had something to lose...Mona.

It'd be weird to bring Vinnie back unless he's kind of in the same situation. e.g. He's in Max's way but doesn't need to be killed.

[Wamplet]

Yes. I buried him, myself.

Hope Vinnie pulled a fast one and escaped for Max took to many to have him go bye bye and on a second note i always loved in the first one Vinnie saying when Max finally caught up to him as saying=Payne I"m Gonna Kill Ya Payne, loved that saying!

[LiquiD]

I personally think Vinnie is worth keeping for the sequel.

He is a good guy to hate... Who knows he might end up being an important component to MaxPayne3. It would be very easy to make a story up as to how he survived since we don't see him explode.

And it looks way to fake, how can a body completely disintergrate, and yet some flimsy latex to be left without any trace of bone....

[Wamplet]

I'm wagering that the 3rd installment will begin with Max attending Vinnie's funeral and a limo will pull up and it will be Vinnie's brother enacting revenge on Max for indirectly not saving his poor brother.

[Twiddlenem]

Or Vinnie's brother will go up to Max and say: "Don Gognitti would like to meet you in his territory...he can guarantee security."

[Joe Siegler]

Vinnie does die in MP2. Look at the suit, it's covered in blood.

So? Who says it's his?

Unless you see it, never assume anything. And even then, that doesn't always mean anything.

[motionblur]

So? Who says it's his?

Unless you see it, never assume anything. And even then, that doesn't always mean anything.

Yes. Remember Blade2? I still don't really know WHY the hell Whistler was back in Blade2...? I mean he killed himself...

[Mountain Man]

I'd say that, yes, Vinnie is most likely dead. Of course, we never actually see him die except in Max's dreams, and given the generally f*cked up nature of Max's subconscious, that evidence is inconclusive at best.

Of course, Mona was seemingly dead and buried in the first game but came back alive and kicking in the second, but it would certainly begin to stretch the bounds of credibility if characters in the Max Payne series keep reappearing after apparently biting the bullet.

[worr]

It is interesting that we don't *see* Vinnie's body or body parts. However, I get the sneaking suspicion that Vinnie has bitten the big one this time.

[Joe Siegler]

Hey, after Max 1, I assumed he was dead too.

[Wamplet]

^ I didn't think he died in the first one.

I keep thinking of that time on Futurama where it was a Titanic-like episode. Bender asked the Professor if there was a chance that his female robot that got sucked in a black hole could possibly survive.

The professor said, "anything's possible" or something along those lines and then turned to another guy and made a throat slitting motion.

[NightShadow]

looks pretty dead to me

http://nsad.web1000.com/misc/obviouslydead.jpg

but i hope he isn't. did u hear how poor he sounded when he was about to be detonated?

[FullMetalJacket]

Vinnie's obviously dead. What, do you think he managed to get out of the costume, PUT IT ON SOMEONE ELSE, and get out, and the new victim would look enough like Vinnie that Vlad would still blow him up?

For crying out loud. He's a VIDEOGAME CHARACTER and isn't even real, and more importantly, NOW HE IS DEAD.
Some people have too much time on their hands if they spend all day squabbling about whether or not he survived having his head literally blown off.

[Wamplet]

Maybe it will make all the vinnie fans happy if they start off Max Payne 3 with Max attending Vinnie's funeral. \o/ The Gun fire starts from there!

Of course there still remains the fact that there is just a small portion of gibs left, so that wake will be closed-casket.

[Orochi Avlis]

Joe, no offense, but read what I had put.
Max Payne 2 is suppose to be a serious game, right?
Would a mob boss let one of his enemies leave with his life???

In the first one Vinnie was shot in the stomach and Max didn't finish him off. I'd never thought for a minute that Vinnie would die in that alley.

P.S.: Do you got some inside information about Max Payne 3 do substanciate your theory???