Prey and Linux!

[bobthefish]

hey guys,
i just got prey working on my ubuntu partiton using WINE.
funny thing is it works better there then on my windows partition. i can run it on max graphics detail on linux, when i can only go medium on windows.

will have screenshots soon to prove i did it

EDIT:
here they are

[Zero]

Yes, the iD Tech 4 engine runs very well inside WINE, it is unknown if it's a side effect of incomplete functions or API's, but it seems that any iD Tech 4 game runs better in WINE then natively or on other platforms.

These are the games I have tested that seem to get a huge boost in performance over the native and windows counter parts.

Doom 3
Quake 4
ET:QuakeWars

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by Zero

Yes, the iD Tech 4 engine runs very well inside WINE, it is unknown if it's a side effect of incomplete functions or API's, but it seems that any iD Tech 4 game runs better in WINE then natively or on other platforms.

These are the games I have tested that seem to get a huge boost in performance over the native and windows counter parts.

Doom 3
Quake 4
ET:QuakeWars

i also tested Doom 3.

it worked great also.

[Steve]

Hmm. Interesting Bit of a shame linux isn't the primary platform for PC games.

[fast-1]

I got one word for you lot.

BOGUS

how do you get Linux loaded in Windows XP with the games ?

[Zero]

Originally Posted by Steve

Hmm. Interesting Bit of a shame linux isn't the primary platform for PC games.

Actually I'd rather it not be the primary system, look of what has happened to windows over the years, it went from 200mb (win95,win98) to 14GB! (Vista) in just ten years! Thats like almost a huge percent increase in wasted space!

Originally Posted by fast-1

I got one word for you lot.

BOGUS

how do you get Linux loaded in Windows XP with the games ?

It's because OpenGL has to go thou 50 layers of crap, not to mention that WINE is not "emulating" the memory system Window XP uses, memory management under Linux has been proven time and time again to be faster.

So put a better memory manager with not 30 layers of API and also add that WINE might not actually have all the API functions implemented.

This is a bit dated but still shows linux wining over in Doom 3, (note that WINE has gotten ALOT faster.)
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=681&num=3


But to answer your question, you don't get Linux loaded into Windows, you run the exicutible with WINE! Elimating XP from the equation totally!

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by fast-1

I got one word for you lot.

BOGUS

how do you get Linux loaded in Windows XP with the games ?

please look into what you comment on before you say anything.

http://www.winehq.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)

[peoplessi]

Links to the screens aren't working properly.

[Plagman]

Are you saying that the Linux clients of Doom 3, Quake 4 and ETQW perform worse than the Windows client in Wine?

[fast-1]

I have watched some youtube movies of Linux on a bootable cd so you can use that and have windows xp/vista on the same hard drive.

So this WINE application or OS has to be formatted on your hard drive ?

I am not technically good but this Linux is interesting

[Zero]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

Links to the screens aren't working properly.

They aren't they work fine from here.

Originally Posted by Plagman

Are you saying that the Linux clients of Doom 3, Quake 4 and ETQW perform worse than the Windows client in Wine?

Yep, both cedega and wine for some reason do better then the native port, I donno exactly why, from what I am guessing the port is not optmized to be as it could (ie: the windows port is faster) so by adding a better memory manager it goes faster? I know OpenGL to Wine OpenGL is 100% perfect (it doesnt translate it at all).

Originally Posted by fast-1

I have watched some youtube movies of Linux on a bootable cd so you can use that and have windows xp/vista on the same hard drive.

So this WINE application or OS has to be formatted on your hard drive ?

I am not technically good but this Linux is interesting

Yes there are some Linux Live cds but if you wish to install anything you still need somewhere to put it, doesn't matter of it's a pen drive or a harddrive, you need some kind of media. You can also dual boot (make Linux and Vista co-exist on the same drive but on seprate partitions, but you can't run one and the other at the same time (either then using a VM)

WINE itself is an application, it doesnt need to format anything, all you do is use WINE to install programs and run them on top of POSIX OS (ie Mac, Linux, Solaris, BSD, etc)

[peoplessi]

Don't know about you, but those direct me to imageshack.us. I see no reason in using that service since there are numerous free and better services available.

[Zero]

I hope it's not the link I gave you because the graphs on that site belong to that site [phoronix.com]

[peoplessi]

No, it's bobthefish's screenshots. Just redirects me to the frontpage, might be a regional thing with imageshack? Who knows, they are weird.

OR then they need referrer, which my browser doesn't provide them.

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

No, it's bobthefish's screenshots. Just redirects me to the frontpage, might be a regional thing with imageshack? Who knows, they are weird.

OR then they need referrer, which my browser doesn't provide them.

yeah, i noticed that. i wont be using them again. the next time im on linux, ill take some more shots and post here.

EDIT: of your not very computer inclined, here is an easy way to duel boot: http://wubi-installer.org/

it will duel boot your pc without a fresh partition.
im currently using it.


meh, i got bored and booted linux :P


PLEASE NOTE!!!:
i DID NOT install this with wine. i had prey installed on my pc BEFORE i put Ubuntu on. i simply went to the Program Files directory and double clicked the exe.

[Altered Reality]

About running Prey on unsupported operating systems: if anyone is interested, here's a page with a compatibility layer stated to enable Windows 98 to run Prey.
http://www.msfn.org/board/KernelEx-v...ed-t71476.html
I haven't tried it so far, but if anyone wants to... there it is.

[fast-1]

Originally Posted by Altered Reality

About running Prey on unsupported operating systems: if anyone is interested, here's a page with a compatibility layer stated to enable Windows 98 to run Prey.
http://www.msfn.org/board/KernelEx-v...ed-t71476.html
I haven't tried it so far, but if anyone wants to... there it is.

Cool that's a great idea I read that to get a better Prey game, I only got 512 ram does it change anything.

Wait it's for unsupported systems no use to me. Thought it was about Linux.

[Zero]

Umm, to my knowledge Linux is unsupported, 3DR nor HumanHead support the Linux platform.

[Joe Siegler]

Originally Posted by Zero

Umm, to my knowledge Linux is unsupported, 3DR nor HumanHead support the Linux platform.

Neither of us support the Windows platform, either. 2K does support for Prey - see your manual.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Neither of us support the Windows platform, either. 2K does support for Prey - see your manual.

Thats the problem with steam... What manual?
I recently perchised a three pack of games by introvision software, and I have to say, I am very pleased, not only did I get an the game right away (downloadable) but I had an option to have the boxed copies shipped to me.

I know this is not realated but I hope in the future this could be an option for your games.

I got a hard copy of each game, a linux installer script (the cds themselves were designed for windows) and i got to download the content as soon as I payed for it. No if's no buts and it all worked flawlessly.

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by Zero

I got a hard copy of each game, a linux installer script (the cds themselves were designed for windows) and i got to download the content as soon as I payed for it. No if's no buts and it all worked flawlessly.

steam gave you a linux installer script!?

wow!
i didnt know they do that!

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by fast-1

Cool that's a great idea I read that to get a better Prey game, I only got 512 ram does it change anything.

Wait it's for unsupported systems no use to me. Thought it was about Linux.

im running prey maxed out with:
p4 2.24 ghz
512 mb ram (not sure what kind. the pc is about 6-7 years old)
BFG G-force 7800 GS factory overclocked.

to give you an idea of my PC's age,
i dont have any USB 2.0 ports, and no PCI-E slots.

[peoplessi]

What is maxed out? On what resolution? Could you provide benchmarks done in Linux, and in Windows to compare?

[Zero]

Originally Posted by bobthefish

steam gave you a linux installer script!?

wow!
i didnt know they do that!

lol, not quite, you can buy these games non-steam version but still digital download, for a little more you can have a boxed copy of each game sent to you as well.

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

What is maxed out? On what resolution? Could you provide benchmarks done in Linux, and in Windows to compare?

ok,
well, all settings maxed (lowered anti-aliasing to 4x), and rez at 1024x768.
i dont now how to check the fps tho.
once i figure that out, i will do it.

[Malgon]

^That's pretty good.

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by Malgon

^That's pretty good.

thx.

i just added 256 more mb of ram. its DDR.
now it loads faster

[Java the Hutt]

I have a hard time believing this. Do you have any verifiable stats?

I have run many games on both Windows and Linux in the past, and Windows always beat out Linux. The Linux games I ran were native Linux ports, and this was when Wine was only useful for running Minesweeper.

A simple timedemo that yields max FPS would be helpful.

[Zero]

With OpenGL programs WINE has always been faster, WINE Q3A is faster then native or Windows, there are many theroys to why it happends, but no one is 100% sure, some people think it's the amount of layers of software the games have to go though is smaller so it runs faster, others like myself beleave Linux's memory performance is just better, if you combine that with the WIn32 port (its more optimized) you get the best of both worlds optimized port and faster memory management.

The only way you can test this accurately is to have 2 computer side by side withthe exact same hardware configuration and tweak linux and windows and then run the game with the fps counter on.

Or look at this.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=681&num=3

[Steve]

Half Life 2 doesn't run too bad, either

[Zero]

Yea, it's slowly but surly getting there.

C & C 3 and Fear also run pretty well now too.

[Slacker]

Why worry about Prey & wine when it was announced yesterday that a Linux client has been done by icculus! More info can be found here.

This is awesome news... I'll be looking for a copy of Prey in the stores now that it's native for Linux!

[Altered Reality]

This is awesome news... I'll be looking for a copy of Prey in the stores now that it's native for Linux!

You might want to wait:

The retail version:

* ...will be released shortly. We're waiting for feedback--good and bad--from the demo version.

In other words...

[Slacker]

Yeah, I did see that there, but it's only a matter of time. The demo worked fantastic for me. Since I can't find the game locally, I might be able to find it in a bigger city in a couple weeks. Even waiting a few more weeks isn't that bad considering that a few days ago, I didn't expect to ever see a port of it.

[Zero]

Originally Posted by Slacker

Yeah, I did see that there, but it's only a matter of time. The demo worked fantastic for me. Since I can't find the game locally, I might be able to find it in a bigger city in a couple weeks. Even waiting a few more weeks isn't that bad considering that a few days ago, I didn't expect to ever see a port of it.

Does it matter though? A little to late, prey is dead in the water, has been for ages!

[bobthefish]

Originally Posted by Zero

Does it matter though? A little to late, prey is dead in the water, has been for ages!

its so sad too. such a good game.

[Slacker]

Originally Posted by Zero

Does it matter though? A little to late, prey is dead in the water, has been for ages!

It matters very much to me... I only want it for the single player mode. I don't have time to invest in multiplayer games these days.

Prey native on Linux!
Really good another good game for my Linux box.
I've tested the demo and work quite well, I'm thinking to buy the full version.

[Zero]

You do realize that like every Ryan's port is half assed, look at serious sam series and every other game he has ported, I appreciate him and his work, but if you look at his projects he never completes them.

[Zero]

The thing is no one can fix them or improve the ported code because it's closed, if a closed source project gets ported it should be done well or not at all, it's not like we can just disassemble the code and fix what is broken without fracturing the law. So either do it right or not at all, besides Prey won't be faster then the wine + retail version anyways. So what does it matter if we have a native port, compaines have ignored Linux for most of it's life, instead of bitch, why not just use WINE and be happy, if you think about it it just make Linux that more flexible, it is able to run it's own binarys and win16/win32/win64 api binarys. Windows can't (unless there made to be compatible with Cgywin)