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[3rdmillhouse]

Hay guys!! I saw the lights. Wuts going on?

[NetDisruptor]

Looks good. what year is that vintage?

[Stillbettingonduke]

Some people seem to be missing the point. Let me try again. The idea of this post was not to continue slinging predictions around. Don't we have enough of that around here these days? And what's with the HEAVY haterade intake going on? If you are only interested in trolling forums and posts, please take it somewhere like Gamespot. That's where all the cool 12 year olds go to piss and moan about games they've never played.

All I am looking for is the answer to the one question that hasn't been addressed by 3DRealms. I know it's been addressed a million times by people outside the company who have no idea about what is going on, but I was hoping for something a little more concrete. Again. Duke Nukem Forever. Has it been canceled? Will it ever see the store shelf (or DL)? We deserve to know.

BTW, TonyPessimist, that would be the most sorry ass excuse for fan service ever perpetrated by any company. If that were really the case, I would be able to say with confidence that EA treats their fans with more respect... and that would deeply sadden me.

[3dwizzard]

Originally Posted by marioman360

and for those of whom are just tuning in, allow me to summarize every duke thread made since may 6th:

So what you are saying is that every topic since the 6th of may is fine quality like an old bottle of grape juice? Or did you mean that every post is artistic like the person that drew that picture?

OH OH I get it, the topics are not standing on the table because there is no table they are simply floating around in space like the items in that picture.
Nice thing you have there... I like the way topics were made also.

[dino]

Originally Posted by Stillbettingonduke

Again. Duke Nukem Forever. Has it been canceled? Will it ever see the store shelf (or DL)? We deserve to know.

3dr will be regrouping and continue to operate as a company - if they can pull it off i'm sure DNF is very high up their priority list. So the chances are good don't you think?

[Ramen4ever]

Originally Posted by prophecy holder

I chose to play DNF 10 years ago.....Didn't really work for me. Did it work for you Ramen?

You played DNF 10 years ago?

Originally Posted by NetDisruptor

If I told you to wait here I'm going to get a pizza and didn't come back for 6 month's. I would expect you to eat with in that time. So yes you wouldn't be waiting to eat, but you would be waiting for your promised Za, and I know the 1st thing you would ask me when I got back is WTF where is the pizza...

So we all have waited for our slice of promised Duke pizza.

Then the person "waiting" would be an idiot for not checking up on the one getting the pizza after failure to return within an hour. At 6 months you'd likely be at police intervention.

The situation is far closer to asking a girl out for a date and being stood up but continuing to wait not only for the rest of the night but for the next night and the next and so on.

Hardly my point though. You didn't "give" anything so you shouldn't expect anything in return. Some people didn't even think DNF would be released in the first place. Personally I had no problem with waiting. Yes, it sucks that things didn't turn out the way they should have. Doesn't really bother me though. Placing blame wouldn't solve anything. And doing it before the facts are even in.. only retards do that.

[Machine Check]

I dont think they will ever call the DNF project "cancelled", clearly 3DR has a lot more hope about fiinshing things than we do. We the fans just sit and wait but in the meantime we play other stuff, the wheel keeps turning... these guys have actually dedicated 12 years of hard work, if I was part of this company and realized that it's the 10th development year and the project is still 60%-70% I would be seriously DEPRESSED. 3DR though has continued the development even knowing beforehand that the money they had might not be enough.

[shiranui]

George and Scott have sunk 20 Megabucks into DNF. They are both well-off, but not rich enough to write that much money off. I'm sure they will not, or rather cannot afford to, let Duke go out like a punk.

[Derfernet]

Originally Posted by shiranui

George and Scott have sunk 20 Megabucks into DNF. They are both well-off, but not rich enough to write that much money off. I'm sure they will not, or rather cannot afford to, let Duke go out like a punk.

If I'm reading you right i think it's a very good point: I didn't really think of it that much but that kind of money makes one want to do anything to get some kind of return, even a small one.

[Machine Check]

Im sure there would be a significant return of investment, the game has reached unbelieveable attention due to the recent "chain of events". Anyone would like to see what does a 12 year development project looks like

[GoodbyeKitty]

Well, I haven't been here for a while...

I just wanted to say I have been checking around every day since the rumor/announcement about 3D Realms closing and have found the most recent press release a fairly significant relief, given the circumstances.

I am saddened by the dismissal of the development team and my patience, too, has been tried by the exceedingly lengthy development schedule of Duke Nukem Forever, but seriously, it's Duke. Having seen some of the footage floating around on the internet, as an avid gamer, I am not so concerned or angry at the lack of information or demo, or definite release date with this game. 12 years coming, even, they have obviously fought tooth and nail to beat the curve games are being released on to bring all of us a truly amazing and original experience, and I believe every one of them, whether still with 3D Realms or not, should be proud of their work and pay attention only to their own confidence and not the uproar caused by the rabble-rowsers and angry mobs.

This isn't medieval times. We aren't peasants rising up against a cruel tyrant with torches and pitchforks. We are impatient people who place a standard on a distinguished company; we line them up against the metric set by their peers who happen to have released games within 6 years. With the significance of newer games like Doom 3/IdTech 4/HL2/Source 3D Realms have found themselves in a much more competitive market. And with all respect to the aforementioned products (all of which are awesome and excellently supported), Duke's ace in the hole is his attitude. Not just the attitude of the character, but the attitude of the game overall. The time is coming now where games will not be done in a 15 minute, bake-in-the-oven cycle, so to speak, it is the time, in gaming entertainment where the developers have to compete to get top dog.

I'm betting on Duke. And 3DRealms.

[Specialist]

Originally Posted by shiranui

George and Scott have sunk 20 Megabucks into DNF. They are both well-off, but not rich enough to write that much money off. I'm sure they will not, or rather cannot afford to, let Duke go out like a punk.

I don't know how much they've sunk into this current build but at least 7 mil has already been "written off". Those scrapped builds are pretty much wasted investments. Money spent and zero gained from it, other than some nice trailers. You can't even say it was a learning experience for them.

[naddie]

Originally Posted by prophecy holder

Nicely put, the post some people crap out to defend 3DR defies all logical sense.

http://www.philstockworld.com/wp-con...illogical2.png

More like the fans have an emotional attachment to the Duke Nukem franchise and 3D Realms. I know I do!

All i want is DNF to not be cancelled and eventually release.

I seriously have been lookin foward to this game since 1997 i first seen it in a pc gamer magazine my friend had he told me about it, lol same person showed me duke nukem 3d, but let's say i was blown away and been a fan ever since.

i just dont want this game to be cancelled i want to see it release some day please.

---------- Post added at 03:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:22 AM ----------

If 3drealms need's funding to finish it, please ask microsoft they might help you out.

[Alhexx]

Originally Posted by Specialist

I don't know how much they've sunk into this current build but at least 7 mil has already been "written off". Those scrapped builds are pretty much wasted investments. Money spent and zero gained from it, other than some nice trailers. You can't even say it was a learning experience for them.

I wouldn't say that. The engine and the data from those previous version aren't used anymore, but I suppose that there is a huge amount of gags and ideas that will still find thier way into the current version...

[Stillbettingonduke]

Originally Posted by GoodbyeKitty

This isn't medieval times. We aren't peasants rising up against a cruel tyrant with torches and pitchforks. We are impatient people who place a standard on a distinguished company; we line them up against the metric set by their peers who happen to have released games within 6 years... .

EXACTLY. I'm not saying lets form an angry mob and start a website, or create a thread somewhere and bash the living daylights out of 3dRealms for stringing us along for all these years. That's childish, and a step in the complete opposite direction should we ever want to see this game, or hear from it's creators. I think 3dRealms should however, at least be upfront with us (the fans) at this point and let us know if there is still a plan in place to release the game. With all the legal issues, conspiracy theories, time stamp releases, and wild allegations being thrown about recently... wouldn't you like to know? Those of you who've been waiting more than a decade, what about you?

At this point I don't think it would be out of line to ask such a question. Then again, even if it is overstepping the line a bit, announcing a AAA game in 1997 that still hasn't seen release in 2009?...

Also, thanks to the majority of you posters for keeping the conversation here intelligent.

[prophecy holder]

From a business perspective, would you give a company $5,000,000 to invest in a project they have been working on since 1997? Then you got to look into the facts that they restarted a couple of times and then told thier publishers to stfu and still proclaime thier project to be the best ever.

Would you (from a non-fanboy perspective as well)?

Originally Posted by prophecy holder

From a business perspective, would you give a company $5,000,000 to invest in a project they have been working on since 1997? Then you got to look into the facts that they restarted a couple of times and then told thier publishers to stfu and still proclaime thier project to be the best ever.

Would you (from a non-fanboy perspective as well)?

When was this?

Im pretty sure 3drealms was just waiting for when the technology was right so they could make the game they really wanted.

duke nukem 3d was built, known as lameduke, then they scrapped that and made the duke nukem that hit retail, only difference they didnt change engines then, but the build engine was good back then so no need.

3drealms will always be one of my favorite dev's shadow warrior,blood,duke hell yea lol.

they could have released the quake 2 engine build of duke nukem forever year's ago, but i guess they didnt think it would live up to expectations i guess, and im alittle lost when it comes to this part of it's dev cycle though, im guessing switched to unreal engine 1 e3 2001 which was that footage, then newest build is modified unreal 2 engine .

but newest build actually has a physics engine, quake 2 and unreal 1 engine builds didnt

[3dwizzard]

I think from unreal engine 1 to unreal engine 3 they kept refreshing the same game we saw in 2001. As in they moved over the assets and as time progressed they refreshed the 3dmodels also with new ones.
They upgraded the textures for everything, then they added a physics engine, they added new stuff that the newer engines allowed them to add. They refreshed the maps but they kept the same plotting of the streets and the same architecture from the trailer we have seen in 98 and in the one from 2001.
If you look at the 98 trailer with the mining carts and at the 2001 trailer with the huge city with casinos and stuff, I think you can spot the same stuff in the leaked demo reel and in the leaked screenshots from last week also!
In that demo reel when you are fighting that boss, the one you have to jump on top and pull out his hair or what ever that orange shit is hair horns what ever. If you try to avoid the battle and look at the background, I think you can see the ambient from the 2001 trailer with the casino and big city blurred away!

Check it out!

[Alhexx]

Originally Posted by prophecy holder

From a business perspective, would you give a company $5,000,000 to invest in a project they have been working on since 1997? Then you got to look into the facts that they restarted a couple of times and then told thier publishers to stfu and still proclaime thier project to be the best ever.

Would you (from a non-fanboy perspective as well)?

Well, from a business perspective... yes, maybe.

As a potential investor, there are basically 3 major factors that would be of interest to me:

1. How much will it cost to finish the game?
2. How long will it take to finish the game?
3. How many copies are probably to be sold when the game is released?

If I had to invest, say, $ 5m to get the game finished in, say, one year and I have the feeling that this game will be a hit, so that I may get, say, $ 10m back once "it's done", then I surely would invest - that's 100% profit in one year. Of course, the contract would have a specific release date and other clauses to assure that I'm not going to throw my investment out of the window.

I wouldn't care that 3DRealms have been working on the game for over 12 years, and that they have burned $ 20m for that. That's none of my business after all.

Originally Posted by Stillbettingonduke

Regardless, my question stands unanswered.

And I think it will remain unanswered for a while.

3DRealms cannot officially cancel the game (yet), as this is exactly what T2 is sueing for, so 3DRealms would be really screwed if they'd cancel the game now.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that 3DRealms would lie, if they'd promised now that the game will be finished, as I am sure that not even GB knows how this story will end. Especially, no one knows for sure how the lawsuit will end...

[jaimie10]

Originally Posted by Alhexx

Well, from a business perspective... yes, maybe.

As a potential investor, there are basically 3 major factors that would be of interest to me:

1. How much will it cost to finish the game?
2. How long will it take to finish the game?
3. How many copies are probably to be sold when the game is released?

If I had to invest, say, $ 5m to get the game finished in, say, one year and I have the feeling that this game will be a hit, so that I may get, say, $ 10m back once "it's done", then I surely would invest - that's 100% profit in one year. Of course, the contract would have a specific release date and other clauses to assure that I'm not going to throw my investment out of the window.

I wouldn't care that 3DRealms have been working on the game for over 12 years, and that they have burned $ 20m for that. That's none of my business after all.


And I think it will remain unanswered for a while.

3DRealms cannot officially cancel the game (yet), as this is exactly what T2 is sueing for, so 3DRealms would be really screwed if they'd cancel the game now.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that 3DRealms would lie, if they'd promised now that the game will be finished, as I am sure that not even GB knows how this story will end. Especially, no one knows for sure how the lawsuit will end...

Touche. I think that sums it up.

[NetDisruptor]

Originally Posted by Ramen4ever

The situation is far closer to asking a girl out for a date and being stood up but continuing to wait not only for the rest of the night but for the next night and the next and so on.

I'll take your word for that. I have never had that problem.
Might be the way you talk to girl's.
If it's anything like your post's I can see you getting stood up often.

[Aleks]

Since my last reply and the whole post got plain deleted i wont go into detail as much but im not ready to write off dnf yet. The screenshots released was from different builds, the mine with sign in front of it is most recent and looks damn good i might add. Some speculate that the game is just 60pct complete wich is a very conservative estimate. Based on all my material i can safely say that if this build survives with minor changes Dnf is not that far off. Perfectionism and so forth might put it off track again tho.

[Caine]

Originally Posted by 3dwizzard

I think from unreal engine 1 to unreal engine 3 they kept refreshing the same game we saw in 2001. As in they moved over the assets and as time progressed they refreshed the 3dmodels also with new ones.
They upgraded the textures for everything, then they added a physics engine, they added new stuff that the newer engines allowed them to add. They refreshed the maps but they kept the same plotting of the streets and the same architecture from the trailer we have seen in 98 and in the one from 2001.
If you look at the 98 trailer with the mining carts and at the 2001 trailer with the huge city with casinos and stuff, I think you can spot the same stuff in the leaked demo reel and in the leaked screenshots from last week also!
In that demo reel when you are fighting that boss, the one you have to jump on top and pull out his hair or what ever that orange shit is hair horns what ever. If you try to avoid the battle and look at the background, I think you can see the ambient from the 2001 trailer with the casino and big city blurred away!

Check it out!

yes i saw it too, i'm no graphicwhore but this really looks heavily outdated......

[Angelo86]

Originally Posted by Caine

yes i saw it too, i'm no graphicwhore but this really looks heavily outdated......

The best graphics is not important.
DNF will push the limits of gaming and establish new standards in interactivity, variety, and pure fun.This is important.

Originally Posted by 3dwizzard

I think from unreal engine 1 to unreal engine 3 they kept refreshing the same game we saw in 2001. As in they moved over the assets and as time progressed they refreshed the 3dmodels also with new ones.
They upgraded the textures for everything, then they added a physics engine, they added new stuff that the newer engines allowed them to add. They refreshed the maps but they kept the same plotting of the streets and the same architecture from the trailer we have seen in 98 and in the one from 2001.
If you look at the 98 trailer with the mining carts and at the 2001 trailer with the huge city with casinos and stuff, I think you can spot the same stuff in the leaked demo reel and in the leaked screenshots from last week also!
In that demo reel when you are fighting that boss, the one you have to jump on top and pull out his hair or what ever that orange shit is hair horns what ever. If you try to avoid the battle and look at the background, I think you can see the ambient from the 2001 trailer with the casino and big city blurred away!

Check it out!

[Caine]

Originally Posted by Angelo86

The best graphics is not important.
DNF will push the limits of gaming and establish new standards in interactivity, variety, and pure fun.This is important.

yeah when it does come out but the buildings look like 2001 version thats just laziness, and if you read my post i said i dont care for graphics normally but 8 years without renewing the buildings... well...

[LiquiD]

You need some paragraphs buddy!...

But look at prey, it only took 7 more years after the announcement, its the 3drealms way.

We'll see DNF in 2016 See ya all then.

PS I'm gonna go play prey now - a game that delivers to all my alien killing needs

[Angelo86]

^ look up the images in my post. the story is the same since 1998

Originally Posted by Altered Reality

Rather, playing WOW and not giving a shit about getting DNF done, as usual.

THAT IS A LIE!!!

He's playing Fallout 3 right now.

[jaimie10]

A lot of you don't appreciate how much the law suit against 3DR jeopardises the future of DNF. I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic. T2 suing 3DR is the death knell of DNF. It will delay the development of the game so much so, it won't be financially viable for 3DR to continue with DNF once the legal side of things has been resolved. We are looking at a 2 year delay because of this court case. As it stands 3DR are free to continue with the DNF project, but they have no money and no team. On top of this, they now need to fund a legal team when they are practically bankrupt. Meanwhile back at the ranch, in the midst of all this chaos, GB is finding the time to play games. Nice. The games done people. Sit down, do the sums. This game was never 90%. It's still a long way off completion. If eventually 3DR ever get back to redeveloping DNF, it just won't be worth it. We are looking at a 2012 release date (best case scenario) and I don't care how good a game is, it will have dated. The teaser trailers were from 2007 dev, that would make it 5 years old. It will have dated. Yeah parts of DNF might be cool, but by then it will have been surpassed by other games. I think it's time to wind up this forum. DNF is dead and buried.

[BladeTurbo]

Is it me or are alot of ppl here in denial? DNF is dead and gone, deal with it and move on to the next game. There are quite a few good games coming out/released including FEAR 2, Deus Ex 3, ect.

[SplatterHappy]

Originally Posted by BladeTurbo

Is it me or are alot of ppl here in denial? DNF is dead and gone, deal with it and move on to the next game. There are quite a few good games coming out/released including FEAR 2, Deus Ex 3, ect.

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings and I haven't seen GeorgeB in drag piping out tunes yet!

Seriously.. it's not dead regardless. 3DR wants to finish it.. they have $20 mil of their own funds and years of work tied up in it. Take Two wants to steal it away and apparently get another developer to finish it. DNF will be coming in some form at some point. How the court case turns out, who's going to finish it, and when are the questions.

[prophecy holder]

When is this court date exactly?

[jaimie10]

Court case will be approximately a year from now according to what I read in the media, so mid 2010.

[Arexx]

Sit back, relax, play another game, God knows there's enough of them out there. If DNF comes out, great, I'll be in line to buy it. if not, it's too bad, thanks for the games you've given us 3DRealms. I'm not bitter, shit happens. I only hope all the employees make out okay (including George and Scott).

Hey, we're all human, everyone makes mistakes.

And now, I'm off to play some WoW... I have a mage to level

[krakaman]

Well let's hope 3DR finishes DNF eventually regardless of the time frame in the meantime life goes on.

[MegaMustaine]

Originally Posted by prophecy holder

When is this court date exactly?

June 4th, which happens to be the last day of E3. (Cue the X-Files theme)

Edit: The initial hearing at least.

[MotzaballZ]

There's probably someone who has died of a disease or something that wanted this game to come out. Just do it already.

[AdrianGuenter]

Originally Posted by Alhexx

Well, from a business perspective... yes, maybe.

As a potential investor, there are basically 3 major factors that would be of interest to me:

1. How much will it cost to finish the game?
2. How long will it take to finish the game?
3. How many copies are probably to be sold when the game is released?

If I had to invest, say, $ 5m to get the game finished in, say, one year and I have the feeling that this game will be a hit, so that I may get, say, $ 10m back once "it's done", then I surely would invest - that's 100% profit in one year. Of course, the contract would have a specific release date and other clauses to assure that I'm not going to throw my investment out of the window.

I wouldn't care that 3DRealms have been working on the game for over 12 years, and that they have burned $ 20m for that. That's none of my business after all.


And I think it will remain unanswered for a while.

3DRealms cannot officially cancel the game (yet), as this is exactly what T2 is sueing for, so 3DRealms would be really screwed if they'd cancel the game now.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that 3DRealms would lie, if they'd promised now that the game will be finished, as I am sure that not even GB knows how this story will end. Especially, no one knows for sure how the lawsuit will end...

I wonder what would happen if you offered George & Scott 5 million capital with all sorts of clauses in the contract locking them to a release time table...well, I don't wonder so much what would happen, but how far up your a** you would be told to shove that $5m.