The mind boggles

JackpotDen · 04-22-2005, 05:29 PM

What if Prey was released, in 1998?

Skeletal animation was a few years ago (2002, at least i think, i saw it first in UT 2003)

Active lights were around... Quake 2 right, so no change?

Portals : No one game has had real, prey portals yet. Think how much better games would have been.

Weapons : I dont think there was one run of the mill gun in Prey. 6 rocket, rocket launcher, A energy machine gun with a nuke, bug grenades...

supermeerkat · 04-22-2005, 05:37 PM

Every so often there are truly groundbreaking games, and Prey, by the sound of the things, could have been one of them. For some reason I'm reminded of Brian Wilson's SMiLE.

04-22-2005, 05:39 PM

It would have been a buggy piece of crap from my understanding!

supermeerkat · 04-22-2005, 05:48 PM

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Viper Knight said:
It would have been a buggy piece of crap from my understanding!

If it had been released in that state. But it wasn't.

Gryph · 04-22-2005, 05:49 PM

Half-Life had skeletal animations. Atleast it says so on the box.

supermeerkat · 04-22-2005, 05:50 PM

I didn't know that. Was it the first to do so?

04-22-2005, 06:28 PM

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supermeerkat said:

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Viper Knight said:
It would have been a buggy piece of crap from my understanding!

If it had been released in that state. But it wasn't.

And it would never have been.

Tim Gerritsen · 04-22-2005, 08:02 PM

Rune had full skeletal animation as well. We wrote a hell of a lot of custom code for Unreal, and we required a skeletal animation system, so we just made one. Thinking back, we did a lot of new tech for Rune- skeletal animations, real time level of detailing, a particle system (at that time Unreal didn't have one, and we needed that, too), a new large mover object system and a bunch of other stuff as well. In the end, I think we did about 60% new code.

We weren't the first, but I don't think Half Life was either. I believe some N64 games used skeletal and I am sure others did as well.

Gryph · 04-22-2005, 08:13 PM

How much new stuff have you written for the Doom 3 engine? I'm assuming a lot because of the portals and stuff.

Kristian Joensen · 04-23-2005, 03:28 AM

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Tim Gerritsen said:
Rune had full skeletal animation as well. We wrote a hell of a lot of custom code for Unreal, and we required a skeletal animation system, so we just made one. Thinking back, we did a lot of new tech for Rune- skeletal animations, real time level of detailing, a particle system (at that time Unreal didn't have one, and we needed that, too), a new large mover object system and a bunch of other stuff as well. In the end, I think we did about 60% new code.

We weren't the first, but I don't think Half Life was either. I believe some N64 games used skeletal and I am sure others did as well.

How about the 3rd person perspective ? Was that included with the Unreal engine or did you have to add that aswell ?

FireFly · 04-23-2005, 03:38 AM

There was a basic behindview command but that was pretty limited. I'm sure they did all of the 3rd person stuff themselves.

Jokke_r · 04-23-2005, 03:48 AM

Serious Sam had portals though, real portals, but they were static and they weren't one sided nor flat. They where basically like the size of the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey but the whole mesh was like a 3d portal to another place in the map.

Half-Life had skeletal animation system, and that was in 98. The N64 was out sometimes during 96-98 i'm not so sure anymore.

JackpotDen · 04-23-2005, 06:05 AM

good point, but what about ragdolls?

Jokke_r · 04-23-2005, 07:25 AM

What do you mean ragdolls? They've been around for ages, first game i remember playing with ragdolls was hitman1 and that was around 2000 i believe

04-22-2005, 05:39 PM	#3
Viper Knight Guest	Re: The mind boggles It would have been a buggy piece of crap from my understanding!

04-22-2005, 05:29 PM	#1
JackpotDen	The mind boggles What if Prey was released, in 1998? Skeletal animation was a few years ago (2002, at least i think, i saw it first in UT 2003) Active lights were around... Quake 2 right, so no change? Portals : No one game has had real, prey portals yet. Think how much better games would have been. Weapons : I dont think there was one run of the mill gun in Prey. 6 rocket, rocket launcher, A energy machine gun with a nuke, bug grenades... __________________ Will you pick rifles, or computers?

04-22-2005, 05:37 PM	#2
supermeerkat	Re: The mind boggles Every so often there are truly groundbreaking games, and Prey, by the sound of the things, could have been one of them. For some reason I'm reminded of Brian Wilson's SMiLE.

04-22-2005, 05:49 PM	#5
Gryph	Re: The mind boggles Half-Life had skeletal animations. Atleast it says so on the box. __________________ 1Emulation: The Peoples' Emulation Site I pity the fool! - Mr. T

04-22-2005, 05:50 PM	#6
supermeerkat	Re: The mind boggles I didn't know that. Was it the first to do so?

04-22-2005, 08:02 PM	#8
Tim Gerritsen	Re: The mind boggles Rune had full skeletal animation as well. We wrote a hell of a lot of custom code for Unreal, and we required a skeletal animation system, so we just made one. Thinking back, we did a lot of new tech for Rune- skeletal animations, real time level of detailing, a particle system (at that time Unreal didn't have one, and we needed that, too), a new large mover object system and a bunch of other stuff as well. In the end, I think we did about 60% new code. We weren't the first, but I don't think Half Life was either. I believe some N64 games used skeletal and I am sure others did as well.

04-22-2005, 08:13 PM	#9
Gryph	Re: The mind boggles How much new stuff have you written for the Doom 3 engine? I'm assuming a lot because of the portals and stuff. __________________ 1Emulation: The Peoples' Emulation Site I pity the fool! - Mr. T

04-23-2005, 03:38 AM	#11
FireFly	Re: The mind boggles There was a basic behindview command but that was pretty limited. I'm sure they did all of the 3rd person stuff themselves. __________________ "I think the push for people to innovate in gameplay - i'm not sure that I particularly agree with it" John Carmack

04-23-2005, 03:48 AM	#12
Jokke_r	Re: The mind boggles Serious Sam had portals though, real portals, but they were static and they weren't one sided nor flat. They where basically like the size of the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey but the whole mesh was like a 3d portal to another place in the map. Half-Life had skeletal animation system, and that was in 98. The N64 was out sometimes during 96-98 i'm not so sure anymore. __________________ I am Jack's smirking revenge.

04-23-2005, 06:05 AM	#13
JackpotDen	Re: The mind boggles good point, but what about ragdolls? __________________ Will you pick rifles, or computers?

04-23-2005, 07:25 AM	#14
Jokke_r	Re: The mind boggles What do you mean ragdolls? They've been around for ages, first game i remember playing with ragdolls was hitman1 and that was around 2000 i believe __________________ I am Jack's smirking revenge.