GNU DopeFish

ibeam_tech · 09-25-2006, 11:22 AM

about (2 || 3) month ago i downloaded Novell SuSE Linux 10.1, it had a mario cloned game where TUX must save his girlfriend. anyway, in one of it's User Levels i saw dopefish in the texture of walls.

you guys please go and check it out and tell me if that was really dopefish

because i uninstalled SuSE and installed MSWINVista and dont have hard disk space for reinstalling it

// DopeFish Rocks!

Dreams · 09-25-2006, 12:54 PM

NutWrench · 10-01-2006, 11:07 AM

Yes. That was Dopefish.

He's not GNU/Open source, though. He belongs to ID software. He can appear in cameos but he can't be used as an actual game character without ID's permission.

ibeam_tech · 10-01-2006, 11:18 AM

yes i know it isnt open source, i just wanted to be sure that is dopefish

!

Odin · 10-01-2006, 01:06 PM

You're talking about SuperTux, and it was indeed a dopefish tile.

Fragger00 · 01-28-2007, 01:58 AM

http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15352

Joe Siegler · 01-30-2007, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NutWrench

He's not GNU/Open source, though. He belongs to ID software. He can appear in cameos but he can't be used as an actual game character without ID's permission.

Just to clarify, we have written legal permission to use Dopefish as a cameo. Nobody else does, although I can't imagine they'd go after Tom Hall and John Romero over it.

Legally nobody else besides Apogee/3DR & id have permission to use the character, though.

Kalki · 02-06-2007, 05:51 AM

Um... Doomed Space Marine lawsuit?

Kristian Joensen · 02-06-2007, 06:48 AM

Ehh, what are you talking about ?

Kalki · 02-06-2007, 12:28 PM

http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22185

Just wondering where the whole parody laws thing fits in here. How much weight does written legal permission really hold?

Kristian Joensen · 02-06-2007, 01:13 PM

Well lets put it this way:

1)If you HAVE got a written permission then you CAN use the character within the terms of that agreement.
2)If you don't have such a permission you may or may not be able to use the character depending on the individual circumstances.

In the US system there is a thing called fair use some uses of the Dopefish may fall under that. But there is an other area of law that is interesting in the case of the Dopefish that is the matter of parodies and the like.

Such things are a matter of how the court system ways copyright law versus the 1st amendment right of free expression. I think it is likely that the many appearances of the Dopefish in many games mostly fall under that category.

Edit:

It is also important to note that the copyright of the actual dopefish art and the issue of the trademark on the character are two very different things, since trademark law and copyright are two very different bodies of law.

Odin · 02-18-2007, 12:58 AM

It's the age-old question of "who gives a shit?"

It's not saying "hey we made this dopefish character we're so awesome", it's saying "hey look a dopefish". This issue would either, in the case of Doomed Space Marine, be thrown out of court, or in the case of the APOGEE cheat code in Jazz Jackrabbit, be totally taken out of context and the author would be curb stomped. It'll probably be the former because they're not charging for this game and really, who gives a shit?

09-25-2006, 11:22 AM	#1
ibeam_tech	GNU DopeFish about (2 \|\| 3) month ago i downloaded Novell SuSE Linux 10.1, it had a mario cloned game where TUX must save his girlfriend. anyway, in one of it's User Levels i saw dopefish in the texture of walls. you guys please go and check it out and tell me if that was really dopefish because i uninstalled SuSE and installed MSWINVista and dont have hard disk space for reinstalling it // DopeFish Rocks!

09-25-2006, 12:54 PM	#2
Dreams	Re: GNU DopeFish __________________ Do you love dos games?

10-01-2006, 11:07 AM	#3
NutWrench	Re: GNU DopeFish Yes. That was Dopefish. He's not GNU/Open source, though. He belongs to ID software. He can appear in cameos but he can't be used as an actual game character without ID's permission. __________________ "If by chance some day you're not feeling well and you should remember some silly thing I've said or done and it brings back a smile to your face or a chuckle to your heart, then my purpose as your clown has been fulfilled."

10-01-2006, 11:18 AM	#4
ibeam_tech	Re: GNU DopeFish yes i know it isnt open source, i just wanted to be sure that is dopefish! __________________ the old professional fox jumped over the lazy dog with the power of SQL Server and dbase, with the speed of fox...

10-01-2006, 01:06 PM	#5
Odin	Re: GNU DopeFish You're talking about SuperTux, and it was indeed a dopefish tile.

01-28-2007, 01:58 AM	#6
Fragger00	Re: GNU DopeFish http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15352

02-06-2007, 05:51 AM	#8
Kalki	Re: GNU DopeFish Um... Doomed Space Marine lawsuit? __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

02-06-2007, 06:48 AM	#9
Kristian Joensen	Re: GNU DopeFish Ehh, what are you talking about ? __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

02-06-2007, 12:28 PM	#10
Kalki	Re: GNU DopeFish http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22185 Just wondering where the whole parody laws thing fits in here. How much weight does written legal permission really hold? __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

02-06-2007, 01:13 PM	#11
Kristian Joensen	Re: GNU DopeFish Well lets put it this way: 1)If you HAVE got a written permission then you CAN use the character within the terms of that agreement. 2)If you don't have such a permission you may or may not be able to use the character depending on the individual circumstances. In the US system there is a thing called fair use some uses of the Dopefish may fall under that. But there is an other area of law that is interesting in the case of the Dopefish that is the matter of parodies and the like. Such things are a matter of how the court system ways copyright law versus the 1st amendment right of free expression. I think it is likely that the many appearances of the Dopefish in many games mostly fall under that category. Edit: It is also important to note that the copyright of the actual dopefish art and the issue of the trademark on the character are two very different things, since trademark law and copyright are two very different bodies of law. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript) Last edited by Kristian Joensen; 02-06-2007 at 01:20 PM.

02-18-2007, 12:58 AM	#12
Odin	Re: GNU DopeFish It's the age-old question of "who gives a shit?" It's not saying "hey we made this dopefish character we're so awesome", it's saying "hey look a dopefish". This issue would either, in the case of Doomed Space Marine, be thrown out of court, or in the case of the APOGEE cheat code in Jazz Jackrabbit, be totally taken out of context and the author would be curb stomped. It'll probably be the former because they're not charging for this game and really, who gives a shit?