Max Payne 3 - Page 10

Hudson · 08-23-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

I'm kind of confused where you are getting your bad information.

Nothing like this has been confirmed, and you are just looking for reasons not to like the game.

There were packages sent out with vials of the Valkyr "drink" along with a letter and some other stuff. Apparently denied by R*, however if it was confirmed it would kinda ruin the whole ARG thing.

But don't worry, I don't have to look for reasons not to like the game.. they spoon feed me idiotic design decisions and :facepalm: screenshots on a routine basis.

I think you're having the tougher time in this. You know, trying to defend it with all your will when pretty much everyone knows it's going to suck. Unless people really do want Max Theft Auto

biXen · 08-24-2009, 07:12 AM

Since we already knew they'd continue the franchise, and since Max Payne has already been at rock bottom, how would you make him seem even more gone in the toilet?

The bald, fat, old stuff makes sense, though I'm not a fan of the look either, it is bollocks that it's somehow "not Max Payne". Max Payne is about losing everything and thus kicking everyone's ass for the losses or for the lack of caring. Until we get insights into the story and the story telling we have no way of knowing about the amount of noirness. It's possible to stretch genres even if it's not done before to big extents.

MegaMustaine · 08-24-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hudson

There were packages sent out with vials of the Valkyr "drink" along with a letter and some other stuff. Apparently denied by R*, however if it was confirmed it would kinda ruin the whole ARG thing.

But don't worry, I don't have to look for reasons not to like the game.. they spoon feed me idiotic design decisions and :facepalm: screenshots on a routine basis.

I think you're having the tougher time in this. You know, trying to defend it with all your will when pretty much everyone knows it's going to suck. Unless people really do want Max Theft Auto

Echo Black · 08-25-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fibbles

Max Payne's character, the dark humor, the noir, the "Max Payne"ness, is in his black leather jacket and dark hair. You drop those and you have already lost the character.

This times a million.

"Durrr durrrrrrr give Rockstar a chance!111 TEH GAM WILL B AWSUM" - For people bothered with what we've seen of the game so far, MP3 could be the best third person shooter of all time and still be a letdown. Isn't it OBVIOUS that what they're irked off about is the artistic direction? Or has there been a demo of the game? That's a first impression (these are important by the way), and if you were let down by it, it's hard to make yourself optimist.

The reason people care about how Max looks is exactly because it's a story-driven franchise. Max Payne has fans. I'm not talking about fans of the gameplay or whatever, I'm talking about people that like the character, and/or the game's universe. People that play games for things other than killing time exist - I've sat through games with nary a gameplay merit (mostly RPGs) before, because I really wanted to see the development of the story. And likewise, if a fictional character I enjoy gets a lameness injection for a sequel, I don't like it (Why do I feel like bringing up Jason's design in Jason X? Aaah, another time maybe). To me, the new Max does look a tad ridiculous. Have I written off playing MP3 because of that? No, since I like third-person-shooters and there's a good chance it will be a competent one. But if I was a hardcore Max Payne fan, I just might.

About the "pessimism": Don't blame people for getting a terrible impression from a plot that exchanges NYC's dark and moody winter for a tropical country, and has Max looking like an old, ugly, dirty, drunk, balding, uncool middle-aged uncle. Yeah, Max fans (again, MAX fans) must be ******* holding their breath for this "neo-noir" gig. Realize that to these people, what stuck was MP/MP2's style and delivery, not the 5 hours of entertaining third-person-shooting you could get from a million different games.

Cleric · 08-25-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo Black

The reason people care about how Max looks is exactly because it's a story-driven franchise.

Realize that to these people, what stuck was MP/MP2's style and delivery, not the 5 hours of entertaining third-person-shooting you could get from a million different games.

To me, this sounds a little off. If the fans like the character, and if they like the story, wouldn't they want it all to continue in a plausible way? He's gotten older. He's let himself go. He's got an addiction to pain medication. He's left New York City. All of this reflects the continuing development of Max as a story-driven character. If Max stayed the same, that would make the story a bit harder to swallow, would it not? It would make Max a much more shallow character, and I think the story would lose a lot from it. I will admit, MP and MP2 had great style and beautifully moody settings. Hell, they're two of my favorite games. But the more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me to keep Max where he's been.

Mr.Fibbles · 08-26-2009, 06:31 AM

It makes no sense to continue it. IMO. The Inner Circle has been wiped out, Valkyr has been all but destroyed. Max's revenge is over so the story is over. He says he doesn't have nightmares about his wife anymore at the end of the game, so there is no despair anymore. His connection to pain killers was a game mechanic and nothing more.

The idea of continuing it is absurd and continuing it somewhere else with a completely different look is obviously a sign that they are milking a cow that was recently refilled with sweet delicious ~~cash~~ milk by the Max Payne movie.

Kristian Joensen · 08-26-2009, 02:19 PM

"Max's revenge is over so the story is over."

But why must the character of Max Payne be limited to that particular story/storylines? Can't he appear in/experience other stories?

aku · 08-31-2009, 12:55 PM

This is pretty much how I felt when I saw those screens and most likely how the original max feels

Duke's New Chainsaw · 08-31-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian Joensen

"Max's revenge is over so the story is over."

But why must the character of Max Payne be limited to that particular story/storylines? Can't he appear in/experience other stories?

Oh he could, as this game proves. But that doesn't mean he should.

Cleric · 08-31-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

Oh he could, as this game proves. But that doesn't mean he should, or shouldn't.

Fixed.

For God's sake, we have a handful of screenshots and a few articles to go by. I'm staying out of here until we get more solid information. All of the hatemongering nonsense going on here is making me want to throw my router in the garbage just to avoid it.

Duke's New Chainsaw · 08-31-2009, 05:51 PM

Do it.

Echo Black · 09-02-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleric

For God's sake, we have a handful of screenshots and a few articles to go by. I'm staying out of here until we get more solid information. All of the hatemongering nonsense going on here is making me want to throw my router in the garbage just to avoid it.

I'll e-bet you 10$ that this game will be horrible. I'm that confident!

Duke's New Chainsaw · 09-02-2009, 09:02 PM

Horrible seems extreme.

It'll probably be a good game. Just not a good Max Payne game.

Echo Black · 09-02-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

Horrible seems extreme.

10 e-bucks man, put your e-money where your e-mouth is!

Hudson · 09-03-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

Horrible seems extreme.

It'll probably be a good game. Just not a good Max Payne game.

Yeah, it may be a good Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 2 game

Mr.Fibbles · 09-03-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian Joensen

"Max's revenge is over so the story is over."

But why must the character of Max Payne be limited to that particular story/storylines? Can't he appear in/experience other stories?

Max Payne was a normal guy put into an extraordinary position. That was the appeal of the game and that is what drove the story. He isn't a hero; he is just a man. The story is complete and entirely independent. With the end of the Inner Circle and the death of Mona Sax and Vlad, there is nothing left to talk about. Max goes on with his life. The story was personal so it is isolated and does not need to be expanded, nor should it be.

This is clearly a milking and I believe that there is no more milk to rip out of this cow because there is no story left. It isn't Max Payne.

December Man · 09-03-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

Horrible seems extreme.

It'll probably be a good game. Just not a good Max Payne game.

I think so too. It'll be a good action game, but without the Max Payne goodness.

Commando Nukem · 09-04-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fibbles

Max Payne was a normal guy put into an extraordinary position. That was the appeal of the game and that is what drove the story. He isn't a hero; he is just a man. The story is complete and entirely independent. With the end of the Inner Circle and the death of Mona Sax and Vlad, there is nothing left to talk about. Max goes on with his life. The story was personal so it is isolated and does not need to be expanded, nor should it be.

This is clearly a milking and I believe that there is no more milk to rip out of this cow because there is no story left. It isn't Max Payne.

This right here. Max Payne 1 and 2 (and even two was a bit of a contrivance) was the story. That was it, there was nothing left to see when you're talking about the character and stories inception.

Granted, you could easily make other stories of a dark nature revolving around Max Payne. Something like Max Payne stories, episodic content, in the form of Private Eye type episodes. Taking cases, solving crimes. Something still relevant to the noir quality.

This new game just seems to ooze a distinct lack of the atmosphere and feel of the first two.

MegaMustaine · 09-05-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

This new game just seems to ooze a distinct lack of the atmosphere and feel of the first two.

I know I have said it before, but what are you basing this on? We have like six screens and a basic overview of the premise. We have almost nothing. Seems like it is a little early to be judging lack of "atmosphere and feel."

Zom-B · 09-06-2009, 07:44 AM

Isn't the purpose of this released media to advertise the game and gain our interest? For me, it doesn't look like a Max Payne game and on that basis, I'm not interested in following it.

prophecy holder · 09-06-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

I know I have said it before, but what are you basing this on? We have like six screens and a basic overview of the premise. We have almost nothing. Seems like it is a little early to be judging lack of "atmosphere and feel."

Usually people will take one look at a product's media (wether it be a screenshot or a trailer) and decide if it good or bad. If it's a crappy trailer or pictures then the product will probably be crappy as well. I just feel sorry for the people who say they have to buy it before they judge it. While your deciding wether the game Max theft auto cry 3 is bad or good I'll be playing a game I know is good (Dead rising 2, God of war 3, Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 zerg edition).

Don't expect everyone to like something that's been drastically changed. Behold: Super mega death christ.

I bet so many christians will hate that, but wait they have to hold thier judgment until they see the real super mega death christ.

Kristian Joensen · 09-08-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zom-B

Isn't the purpose of this released media to advertise the game and gain our interest? For me, it doesn't look like a Max Payne game and on that basis, I'm not interested in following it.

Well what should a Max Payne game look like? How had you pictured Max Payne 3?

Zom-B · 09-08-2009, 03:31 PM

I hadn't, I didn't want another sequel.

WoodenSword · 09-08-2009, 04:55 PM

There is a new game that is coming out that is like how Max Payne 3 should be, but i can't remember its title.

Do you remember it?
(someone has mentioned it in this forums)

Zom-B · 09-08-2009, 06:05 PM

Necessary Force, it's been cancelled now I think.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/de...51635?type=flv

MegaMustaine · 09-08-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by prophecy holder

Usually people will take one look at a product's media (wether it be a screenshot or a trailer) and decide if it good or bad. If it's a crappy trailer or pictures then the product will probably be crappy as well. I just feel sorry for the people who say they have to buy it before they judge it. While your deciding wether the game Max theft auto cry 3 is bad or good I'll be playing a game I know is good (Dead rising 2, God of war 3, Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 zerg edition).

Don't expect everyone to like something that's been drastically changed. Behold: Super mega death christ.

I bet so many christians will hate that, but wait they have to hold thier judgment until they see the real super mega death christ.

prophecy holder · 09-09-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

Now now, before you judge you have to pay to see him. He is just like the regular jesus but a bit more.......Ass kicker style.

To Joensen, the series should of stayed at 2. There was no point in making a sequel other than just trying to milk cash from customers with a big name.

Hudson · 09-10-2009, 03:45 PM

I've always thought Max should have committed suicide at the end of MP2, it would have been tragic and poetic.. he had nothing left to live for.

But go on Rockstar, milk the crap out of the series.

Commando Nukem · 09-10-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hudson

I've always thought Max should have committed suicide at the end of MP2, it would have been tragic and poetic.. he had nothing left to live for.

But go on Rockstar, milk the crap out of the series.

Well I dont know about that, but I tend to agree with the sentiment that the story ENDED with Max Payne 2. His story had come full circle, everyone involved was either dead or at a different place. The conflicts had resolved, the plot threads more or less all tied up. The story was done. The only thing left that could honestly be extended on was the noir story telling style, and that would require a rather excellent story.

From what I can see the style has not been maintained, and thats just turning me right the frick off.

Mr.Fibbles · 09-10-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hudson

I've always thought Max should have committed suicide at the end of MP2, it would have been tragic and poetic.. he had nothing left to live for.

If he had not come to terms with his wife's death (which he did if you consider no longer having nightmares about her death) I would see him offing himself or moving out to Brazil or some stupid shit like that...however, he came to terms with it all so...yeah, his life is officially average now.
But...yeah...I think most people here seem to agree that this is just going to be not Max Payne.

WoodenSword · 09-10-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zom-B

Necessary Force, it's been cancelled now I think.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/de...51635?type=flv

thanks, that's pretty sad btw, didn't know about the cancellation

K100 · 09-11-2009, 02:44 PM

Max payne 3 teaser:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2Y7HMPS8

No gameplay footages...

K100 · 09-12-2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by K100

Max payne 3 teaser:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2Y7HMPS8

No gameplay footages...

You can see it here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xag...ne-3-teaser-sd

Damien_Azreal · 09-12-2009, 03:20 PM

Okay.... not impressed. It's an okay teaser, it works for the Max Payne vibe, but the music is what kills it.
When I think Max Payne.... I don't want something like rock. I want the slow, mellow themes that have always been there.

Commando Nukem · 09-12-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

Okay.... not impressed. It's an okay teaser, it works for the Max Payne vibe, but the music is what kills it.
When I think Max Payne.... I don't want something like rock. I want the slow, mellow themes that have always been there.

Now now Damien dont be so judgemental, you have to wait and see. Give it a chance, come on, be open minded. $h311 0ut y0ur c@sh m0n1e$

Mr.Fibbles · 09-12-2009, 04:23 PM

That was kind of a lame teaser...considering they want to release it this year, that sucked. I say this because they have only a few months left and they seem to think they can just sell a name without a product or ever showing anything at all. Of course...who am I kidding, this is Rockstar who is always selling just a name (usually with a decent product, so I hear).

Duke's New Chainsaw · 09-12-2009, 10:13 PM

WTF was that?

sawn_off · 09-12-2009, 10:20 PM

The fraps banner doesn't help the credibility...

Hudson · 09-13-2009, 01:24 AM

Lame.

Damien_Azreal · 09-13-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

Now now Damien dont be so judgemental, you have to wait and see. Give it a chance, come on, be open minded. $h311 0ut y0ur c@sh m0n1e$

I am being open minded. I haven't decided the game will be complete trash yet. But the teaser... trash.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fibbles

That was kind of a lame teaser...considering they want to release it this year.....

It was pushed back to the first quarter next year.

09-12-2009, 03:20 PM	#394
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: Max Payne 3 Okay.... not impressed. It's an okay teaser, it works for the Max Payne vibe, but the music is what kills it. When I think Max Payne.... I don't want something like rock. I want the slow, mellow themes that have always been there. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

08-24-2009, 07:12 AM	#362
biXen	Re: Max Payne 3 Since we already knew they'd continue the franchise, and since Max Payne has already been at rock bottom, how would you make him seem even more gone in the toilet? The bald, fat, old stuff makes sense, though I'm not a fan of the look either, it is bollocks that it's somehow "not Max Payne". Max Payne is about losing everything and thus kicking everyone's ass for the losses or for the lack of caring. Until we get insights into the story and the story telling we have no way of knowing about the amount of noirness. It's possible to stretch genres even if it's not done before to big extents. __________________ bee-digital - my new web dev blog Max Payne fan site Alan Wake fan site

08-26-2009, 06:31 AM	#366
Mr.Fibbles	Re: Max Payne 3 It makes no sense to continue it. IMO. The Inner Circle has been wiped out, Valkyr has been all but destroyed. Max's revenge is over so the story is over. He says he doesn't have nightmares about his wife anymore at the end of the game, so there is no despair anymore. His connection to pain killers was a game mechanic and nothing more. The idea of continuing it is absurd and continuing it somewhere else with a completely different look is obviously a sign that they are milking a cow that was recently refilled with sweet delicious ~~cash~~ milk by the Max Payne movie. __________________ http://thaunandshad.com

08-26-2009, 02:19 PM	#367
Kristian Joensen	Re: Max Payne 3 "Max's revenge is over so the story is over." But why must the character of Max Payne be limited to that particular story/storylines? Can't he appear in/experience other stories? __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

08-31-2009, 12:55 PM	#368
aku	Re: Max Payne 3 This is pretty much how I felt when I saw those screens and most likely how the original max feels

08-31-2009, 05:51 PM	#371
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Max Payne 3 Do it. __________________ The Great Communicator!

09-02-2009, 09:02 PM	#373
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Max Payne 3 Horrible seems extreme. It'll probably be a good game. Just not a good Max Payne game. __________________ The Great Communicator!

09-06-2009, 07:44 AM	#380
Zom-B	Re: Max Payne 3 Isn't the purpose of this released media to advertise the game and gain our interest? For me, it doesn't look like a Max Payne game and on that basis, I'm not interested in following it.

09-08-2009, 03:31 PM	#383
Zom-B	Re: Max Payne 3 I hadn't, I didn't want another sequel.

09-08-2009, 04:55 PM	#384
WoodenSword	Re: Max Payne 3 There is a new game that is coming out that is like how Max Payne 3 should be, but i can't remember its title. Do you remember it? (someone has mentioned it in this forums) __________________ ------------------------------ When the chess game is over, the pawn and the king go back to the same box

09-08-2009, 06:05 PM	#385
Zom-B	Re: Max Payne 3 Necessary Force, it's been cancelled now I think. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/de...51635?type=flv

09-10-2009, 03:45 PM	#388
Hudson	Re: Max Payne 3 I've always thought Max should have committed suicide at the end of MP2, it would have been tragic and poetic.. he had nothing left to live for. But go on Rockstar, milk the crap out of the series. __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]

09-11-2009, 02:44 PM	#392
K100	Re: Max Payne 3 Max payne 3 teaser: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2Y7HMPS8 No gameplay footages... Last edited by K100; 09-11-2009 at 02:54 PM.

09-12-2009, 04:23 PM	#396
Mr.Fibbles	Re: Max Payne 3 That was kind of a lame teaser...considering they want to release it this year, that sucked. I say this because they have only a few months left and they seem to think they can just sell a name without a product or ever showing anything at all. Of course...who am I kidding, this is Rockstar who is always selling just a name (usually with a decent product, so I hear). __________________ http://thaunandshad.com

09-12-2009, 10:13 PM	#397
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Max Payne 3 WTF was that? __________________ The Great Communicator!

09-12-2009, 10:20 PM	#398
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 3 The fraps banner doesn't help the credibility...

09-13-2009, 01:24 AM	#399
Hudson	Re: Max Payne 3 Lame. __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]