Is Vinnie truly dead....?

I personally do belive vinnie is dead but think about this:

mona took a bullet to the head in the first game and came back in the second game.

so how is that suddenly more unlikely to what happened with vinnie?

[Orochi Avlis]

Max probably thought she took a bullet to the head. It looked like she got shot somewhere in her body in MP 1.
If she did get shot in the head, where is her scar???

PS : There are people that can survive shots to the head but it's extremly rare cases, but hey it happens.....

[Wamplet]

^ In addition, Max made a statement in the graphic novel about the bullet in her head and that it was just a metaphor of sorts.

[Killabilly]

But Mona's body disappeared in the elevator though, it was specifically mentioned in MP1 and the Previously of MP2.
Maybe thats why the 1st time you saw Mona in MP2 the level was named "Elevator Doors"

[FullMetalJacket]

mona took a bullet to the head in the first game and came back in the second game.

so how is that suddenly more unlikely to what happened with vinnie?

It's totally different. You can survive a shot to the head if the bullet is a low-caliber round that is fired from a reasonable distance, and it doesn't penetrate a vital part of the brain.

Having your head disintegrated, and totally removed from the body, however, is an entirely different matter.

[Joe Siegler]

Huh? All I said is I never thought he was still alive after Max 1. What you said makes no sense in reply to what I said.

[Killabilly]

In the graphic novel Max dropped his gun and walked off, leaving Vinnie in alleyway.

At 1st I thought he was dead too, cause the gun sounded it was like a grenade when dropped

[Orochi Avlis]

So? Who says it's his?

Unless you see it, never assume anything. And even then, that doesn't always mean anything.

You said that I shouldn't assume anything, and I explained my logic in the post on top of a post of DanJ.
The part where I talk about Vinnie being shot in the first one and Max leaving him to "die" was a reply to another post you did, I just put both of them in one. Sorry for the mix up.
The other post that was to DanJ was about something else.
Lets just put this to bed before it turns into a flame war.

[0marTheZealot]

Vinnie shouldn't have been brought back. I put like 12 shotgun shells in his belly. Nothing can survive that.

If he's not dead in this game, the US Army should hire him and drop him in the middle of a battlefield, cuz he can't die!

[Moonwalker]

I really hope that Vinnie isn't dead . I think he is a great character. If they had to kill him, I wish they would have only done it in some other way. You know...you have just got him in safe and then...BUM! It makes you (or a least it made me) feel frustrated. I remember how I thought:"Was that whole freaking protection useless?" And top of all I protected him with huge concentration (because I like him ). In fact, Vinnie haven't got any injure at all when chapter was over .

[Cogar]

If Vinnie could have gotten out of the suit, he would have done so before Max even met him at the car lot. Whether anyone was in the room or not to witness it, Vinnie is now history. (He wasn't psycho enough in this game compared to MP1 anyway. Time to get a new bad boy.)

[Mariamus]

If Vinnie could have gotten out of the suit, he would have done so before Max even met him at the car lot.

Vinnie couldn't have gotten out of the suit before.. cause I didn't have time.. as I explained before. I flew in and rescued him from the big baddie before anything was blown to pieces.. ok, ok.. let's just leave it at that

J/K

[Moonwalker]

I flew in and rescued him from the big baddie before anything was blown to pieces.. ok, ok.. let's just leave it at that

J/K

AAAAH! God bless Mariamus about saving Vinnie .

[Mariamus]

Vinnie shouldn't have been brought back. I put like 12 shotgun shells in his belly. Nothing can survive that.

If he's not dead in this game, the US Army should hire him and drop him in the middle of a battlefield, cuz he can't die!

And you suppose Max can survive almost the equal amount, plus eating like 3634 pills during two days?? the game isn't realistic.. if it was.. most people would go down in one shot, perhaps two..

[Ratm]

damn i wish vinnies parts in the game were longer cause vinnie added that kinda cool atitude to the game.and storyline on topic. yes he did die casue during the graphic novel he blew up next to max and the bombs were in the suit so how da hel is he gonna survive.!!!

[Wamplet]

We may never know. Bravura's police cadaver dogs ate most of the evidence.

[Mariamus]

We may never know. Bravura's police cadaver dogs ate most of the evidence.

*Faints*

***
on another note... I'm not believing anything till I see hardcore evidence... I need video footage of vinnie ACTUALLY blowing up!

[Prism]

If you had a bomb in your head and it would explode would you survive? Plus, how did Max ended in a pool of blood?

[Ivan]

It is a film noir story....and basicly IT'S A GAME!

[Doombringer]

I believe our good friend (cough) Vinnie is dead. Yes, Mona survived a bullet, as did Max... but let's remember something here.

We spent a whole level trying to prevent Vinnie from getting shot while he was in the suit. Enough damage and BOOM, skyhigh he went. It was clearly stated, many times, that trying to get him out of the suit would result in detonation...

And we see a lifeless, headless, bloody, costumed corpse.

AND we see the moments before Vinnie's death courtesy of a dream sequence. Dream or not, I think it actually went down that way.

As much as I liked Vinnie (he was a character you loved to hate but had to put up with), I think he's gone. Let go! Just.. let go..

MP3 might feature a flashback, who knows. He could be in that.

[John Mirra]

Vinnie explicitly says, if he tampers with the suit, it goes off.
Vinnie's history, folks.

Still Vlad tampers with the suit himself, when he removes part of the explosives attached to it.

With Vlad away, Vinnie could have snuck off without the bomb exploding. And the red blood was probably just the anti-theft ink stuff the store Vlad stole it from put on to make sure people know it's stolen

I think that it's weird that the suit was fairly in one piece, myself.

And ask yourselves this: Would Vlad let Vinnie go free? I think not. They were at war, you don't capture the enemy's general and let him leave.

Despite the fact they're at war that doesn't stop Vlad from going trough the trouble of sticking Vinnie in a Captain Baseball Bat Boy and rigging explosives in it. Vlad wouldn't let Vinnie go, but why would he risk being near a bomb of that magnitude in the first place?

Also why was Vlad trying to bring Max and Vinne in to Monas apartment. Either case Vlad would have died, too.

My guess is that having his mob-war rival (Gognitti), the killer hired to protect Woden (Mona), and the cop who killed his loved one and wouldn't let it go (Max), all in the same place, with a bomb, would be the best way to eliminate the competition.

I'm sure Vlad tried to have Woden get there too, but wheelchairs tend to be slow

Also why would Vlad pres the button when he, Man and Vinne are in the same room.

I don't think he would. That was basically a threat. After all, Vlad wasn't alone - Max wouldn't surrender to Vlad by just having a detonator pointed at him, but he would surrender to his goons.

Of course, Mona was seemingly dead and buried in the first game but came back alive and kicking in the second,

Mona was seemingly dead, but buried? (or was it just a figure of speech?)

Vinnie's obviously dead. What, do you think he managed to get out of the costume, PUT IT ON SOMEONE ELSE, and get out, and the new victim would look enough like Vinnie that Vlad would still blow him up?

Who ever said anything like this?

For crying out loud. He's a VIDEOGAME CHARACTER and isn't even real, and more importantly, NOW HE IS DEAD.

If he isn't real how can he be dead, then?

Some people have too much time on their hands if they spend all day squabbling about whether or not he survived having his head literally blown off.

And I'm sure it's their special right to spend their time as they see fit.

mona took a bullet to the head in the first game and came back in the second game.

Max probably thought she took a bullet to the head. It looked like she got shot somewhere in her body in MP 1.
If she did get shot in the head, where is her scar???

That's just it, I fail to recall an instance where it was visible a bullet hit her head. I do remember seeing the noticeable amount of blood somewhere on, or near, her stomach or somesuch.

In addition, Max made a statement in the graphic novel about the bullet in her head and that it was just a metaphor of sorts.

I tend to agree with this. Unless of course she was hit like Max.

Or it could be she's just a midget voodoo psyched out alien working for corporate amerikans with teh l33t powahs!!!

Or not.

It's totally different. You can survive a shot to the head if the bullet is a low-caliber round that is fired from a reasonable distance, and it doesn't penetrate a vital part of the brain.

Which albeit true still wouldn't explain the lack of a scar. And would anyone who had been hit with a bullet in their heads, even if surviving, be able to move in such short notice as she did in MP1?

[FatherSeraphin]

Why are we trying to revive Vinnie anyways?

I dont know what is so great about Vinnie. They could create another silly character for MP3. Or if you REALLY insist... We could discover in MP3 that Vinnie had a twin brother that looks just like him and have the same hobbies/personality.

[Antoni]

Vinnie was really a funny character. I laughed to the part when you first saw Vinnie, stuck in the captain baseball bat suit. Hmm... When I think of it, as someone already mentioned, we never saw any evidence of that he actually dies. Ecxept in the dream, but that wasn`t real (or was it?). Nah, he must be dead. A pity though, he was so damn funny.

[Moonwalker]

Yeah. Vinnie is very funny, but there is something else about him too. He's one unique and great person. In MP1 Max was my favorite character, but I started to like Vinnie almost immediately when I saw him. He wasn't like those other bad guys. In MP2 Vinnie was my favorite. Definetly. At first I was a bit confused with his new face, but now...NOOOOO problem .

[Wamplet]

I thought Vinnie was rather spoiled, myself.

He deserved to die. Just don't let Mariamus hear me say that.

[Frankie]

They must of killed him off cause his humour was stealing the whole show/game.

Yeah Vinnie Gognitti!!! and the other guy er max or something....

[Moonwalker]

They must of killed him off cause his humour was stealing the whole show/game.

LOL! You are actually right. In MP2 I paid more attention to him than Max ...but of course...Max Payne would be nothing without Max.

[FatherSeraphin]

Wow, all this talk about vinnie humor made me notice him more when i replayed the game last time. I have a lot of ideas (stories, humor tidbits) for some mods where you have to play vinnie. Too bad you can only mod to play max or mona in mp2...

[Frankie]

Too bad you can only mod to play max or mona in mp2...

I thought I saw a preview of a mod where you play as vinnie... Vinnie's Revenge or something like that.

[Joonas]

You play as any character you like to.

[Mariamus]

I thought Vinnie was rather spoiled, myself.

He deserved to die. Just don't let Mariamus hear me say that.

*Strangles Wamplet with a stretched Captain baseball Bat boy doll*

[MaxRox!]

OK... Can someone help me?

I am at Part III, Chapter 5 as Mona back at the 'Fun House" while the friggin' thing is blowing up around me... and I don't know which way I am supposed to be going... I keep dying 'cuz I can't seem to find my way out! Can someone help point me in the right direction?

As far as Vinnie being dead goes, he better be after all the grief I suffered getting him off his car lot with his damn squeaky shoes, then only to have Vlad kill him at the beginning of the next chapter? I'll kill him myself! (Sorry Mariamus )

[Antoni]

I can`t the route by heart so I can`t help . That walktrough to MP1 with pictures were good, a pity though there isn`t any to MP2.

[worr]

Vinnie does live! He hooked up with Mona after she pretended to be dead and thus throw Max off guard. It makes perfect sense to me now!

That message she left on Vinnie's answering machine was just a front for their plan. Poor Max, he can't catch a break.

[Ivan]

*COUGHS*PERVERT*COUGHS*NOTFUNNY*COUGHS* Stop saying stupid things that make no sens, damn it!

[Kevin's girl]

Is Vinnie really dead? Hmmm Who knows...but in any case, if he is we'll still see him in Max Payne 3. Even if it's just his face in the clouds! LOL

[fmuder]

OK... Can someone help me?

I am at Part III, Chapter 5 as Mona back at the 'Fun House" while the friggin' thing is blowing up around me... and I don't know which way I am supposed to be going... I keep dying 'cuz I can't seem to find my way out! Can someone help point me in the right direction?

pm me if you still need help