Apogee on GOG.com!

yossa · 02-26-2009, 07:38 AM

Faster than Joe, who would have thought?

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Good Old Games gives you some old Apogee/3D Realms classics DRM free and compatible with Windows XP/Vista! Head here to look at the current/upcoming catalogue.

Or maybe you are interested in the Apogee lottery anonunced with this release?

So jump in, after all Duke Nukem 3D goes for only $5.99!

http://www.duke4.net/comment.php?comment.news.249

peoplessi · 02-26-2009, 07:40 AM

Odd that there was no talks before this

But great!

Micki! · 02-26-2009, 07:46 AM

Damn you, i just made a thread with your very message too

This is some freaking awesome news though, i'll rebuy any gam i have there, as well get the ones i never played..!
I just reported my thread, it was locked in time though... So it's cool...

I wonder how i'll like Blake Stone...

And i hope many other titles get up there very soon

BloodWolf806 · 02-26-2009, 08:18 AM

Never played ROTT and I lost my copy of DNMP.... and 6 bucks a piece is hard to beat...

peoplessi · 02-26-2009, 08:41 AM

Sounds good, but I'm thinking how will this affect the sales of the games that 3D Realms offer here. Maybe revenue of those older games isn't so important, or they are looking at GoG as a solid partner for digital distribution.

SonnyBonds · 02-26-2009, 09:13 AM

There's no DRM on GoG.

Daedolon · 02-26-2009, 09:16 AM

Time to buy my 4th copy of Duke Nukem 3D.

Lifetime online support, extras and whatnot. Yeahh!

alexgk · 02-26-2009, 10:22 AM

DN:MP and RotT... awesome

Taril · 02-26-2009, 11:06 AM

I LOVE gog.com. I got Fallout 1 and 2 from them and they work perfectly on my Vista machine.
And all the extras you get for such a little price tag is just amazing.

BadScout · 02-26-2009, 11:23 AM

Lovely. As I don't know where my copy of Duke3D went, I'm heading there to "get some".

KO Gilligan · 02-26-2009, 01:10 PM

Pow!!!

GOG is great, I was just there a couple days ago checking out some new stuff like 2 days ago, this must be new.

Count me in.... not like I need yet another copy

But it's the principle of the matter that forces me to buy it on GOG

Phayzon · 02-26-2009, 01:23 PM

Ill probably buy all of them, just to have digital copies (plus I lost my Blake Stone discs) and to support Apogree/3DR (and GoG).

Reaper · 02-26-2009, 01:29 PM

You guys must realize this only means Apogee developed games are coming down the pipe. Apogee published games are still a no-no unless the original developers decide to release them [on GOG].

I should be pissed, as I just bought RoTT from the 3DR store a month ago, and it cost $15, whereas on GOG I expect it to be 5.99 or less. Bad luck, I have.

... and I don't understand all these fools tripping over themselves to buy another copy, when they already have a functioning one.

KO Gilligan · 02-26-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper

I should be pissed, as I just bought RoTT from the 3DR store a month ago, and it cost $15, whereas on GOG I expect it to be 5.99 or less. Bad luck, I have.

Woot!!!
it will be $5.99 it says so right on the site.

I haven't played it in ..... Forever

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Originally Posted by Reaper

... and I don't understand all these fools tripping over themselves to buy another copy, when they already have a functioning one.

I have 2... I already had it when they did a promo and released a full copy in Computer Gaming World

as far as functioning..... well I was using an old system - now it's NO DOSBOX necessary

Jinroh · 02-26-2009, 02:49 PM

This is great news for some things. Others I'll stay with 3DR store as I like feeling the Physical Medium in my hands or on my shelves.

Definitely going to pick up others I don't care about having the actual disks for.

Superczar · 02-26-2009, 02:52 PM

What is the deal with TMP? I thought it was stuck in limbo?

Water12356 · 02-27-2009, 12:53 AM

Same here, but hell I'll buy it for 6 bucks.

Joe Siegler · 02-27-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by yossa

Faster than Joe, who would have thought?

That's because I didn't find out about this until today myself. This blindsided me.

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Originally Posted by Taril

I LOVE gog.com. I got Fallout 1 and 2 from them and they work perfectly on my Vista machine.

They're using some sort of DOSBox clone, I believe. I knew this stuff was eventually coming, but it showing up today was total news to me.

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I have 2... I already had it when they did a promo and released a full copy in Computer Gaming World

as far as functioning..... well I was using an old system - now it's NO DOSBOX necessary

See above. At least with our old games, I know they don't have the source to recompile them into windows. They're the same old DOS games as far as I know. Unless they struck a deal with the DOSBox guys I don't know about for an "invisible" DOSBox or something... It's likely just a clone of DOSBox they're using. It's not like the Scott Host new executable for Raptor or something like that. It is the same old game again, just with some short of shell.

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Originally Posted by Superczar

What is the deal with TMP? I thought it was stuck in limbo?

There was some work being done to unstick it. Presumably it got resolved, but since I wasn't told about this gog launch of our old games, I'm not surprised I wasn't told about that either.

Glassagate · 02-27-2009, 02:06 AM

DN Manhattan Project? I thought that it was lost
in bankruptcy hell? Can someone please explain this
to me.

Water12356 · 02-27-2009, 02:09 AM

From wikipedia

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Legal status:

In 2004 Manhattan Project developer ARUSH Entertainment was bought out by HIP Interactive. Soon afterwards, HIP went bankrupt, and took Arush down with them. Because of bankruptcy proceedings, the legal rights to Manhattan Project are now held by a court appointed bankruptcy firm.

3D Realms has inquired about retrieving the rights, but has been unable to do so. This has been detailed a few times online by Joe Siegler of 3D Realms in their online forums[3][4], most recently in June 2006. Of the situation, Siegler said:

Arush got bought out by a larger company. The parent company went belly up, and took Arush down with 'em. DNMP is now the legal property of a court appointed holding company involved in the bankruptcy proceedings of the parent company whose name I can't remember.

Scott & I tried to contact them about either getting the rights back so we could sell it ourselves, or just releasing it as freeware. Unfortunately, said company "isn't interested in dealing with us", per Scott.

So DNMP is in rights hell, unfortunately. I would wager being the folks who "are" Duke Nukem, we could probably fight that and get the rights back, but it wouldn't be worth it, really. A lot of court costs just to release a game as freeware, or sell it when it didn't sell much in the first place.

Sometime after the bankruptcy, the official website for Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project was allowed to lapse, and as such was picked up by a domain squatter.[5] Fortunately, before all the materials were lost, Joe Siegler of 3D Realms was able to recover a copy of the contents of the official Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project website from a former ARUSH Games employee, and now hosts the former contents on the 3D Realms Website [1].

Glassagate · 02-27-2009, 02:41 AM

@ Water12356

It sounds like the website material was recovered, not the
game.

@ Everyone else...

Is there anything stopping 3D Realms / Apogee from making a new
side scrolling Duke game? I don't that there is, but of course, I'm no lawyer.
If not themselves, then could someone license the rights to make a new
one?

Qbix · 02-27-2009, 03:15 AM

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See above. At least with our old games, I know they don't have the source to recompile them into windows. They're the same old DOS games as far as I know. Unless they struck a deal with the DOSBox guys I don't know about for an "invisible" DOSBox or something... It's likely just a clone of DOSBox they're using.

No clone or deal. They just use DOSBox. (check their thanks page)

ZaphodB · 02-27-2009, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

There was some work being done to unstick it. Presumably it got resolved, but since I wasn't told about this gog launch of our old games, I'm not surprised I wasn't told about that either.

If there's anything you can pass on to us info wise on what happened, it would be nice. If you can't I fully understand. It's really nice to see Duke and the other Apogee titles on GoG.

Joe Siegler · 02-27-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ZaphodB

If there's anything you can pass on to us info wise on what happened, it would be nice. If you can't I fully understand. It's really nice to see Duke and the other Apogee titles on GoG.

All I know is some time last year I saw some documents that stated some work was done with our lawyer to try and recover the rights to the game. That honestly is the extent of what I know. Logically, since it's listed as going to be for sale, those rights have been recovered.

Which, IMO is a good thing, as the game deserves to be out there, it's a good one.

Water123.. The text you quoted from Wikipedia. I wrote it.

Water12356 · 02-27-2009, 09:17 AM

Thats why I used it.

But I seriously hope the issue was resolved. I really enjoyed the demo of DN:MP.

Joe Siegler · 02-27-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Water12356

Thats why I used it.

But I seriously hope the issue was resolved. I really enjoyed the demo of DN:MP.

As did I. Rights issue aside, DNMP was a good game, and if this gets it back out there, then I'm for it.

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Originally Posted by Qbix

No clone or deal. They just use DOSBox. (check their thanks page)

At the time I wrote that, I had not seen what they did. I bought the game myself this morning and checked it out.

ZaphodB · 02-27-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

As did I. Rights issue aside, DNMP was a good game, and if this gets it back out there, then I'm for it.

Will you be updating the Wiki to reflect the new status?

KO Gilligan · 02-27-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Qbix

No clone or deal. They just use DOSBox. (check their thanks page)

You are the awesomist unofficial tech adviser I know of....

Just say DOSBox 3 times and you appear

Kinda like "Beetlejuice"

Thanks

Joe Siegler · 02-27-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ZaphodB

Will you be updating the Wiki to reflect the new status?

Once I find out exactly what the status is, yeah.

Edit: OK, I edited it a bit.

ZaphodB · 02-27-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

OK, I edited it a bit.

Always happy for the info.

PS - Will you be adding the GoG links for Duke Atomic and others to the 3DR Store?

Altered Reality · 02-27-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Logically, since it's listed as going to be for sale, those rights have been recovered.

Which, IMO is a good thing, as the game deserves to be out there, it's a good one.

Joe Siegler · 02-27-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZaphodB

Always happy for the info.

PS - Will you be adding the GoG links for Duke Atomic and others to the 3DR Store?

Unknown. I've known about this deal less than 24 hours personally, so all those kinds of issues still need to be worked out.

ZuljinRaynor · 02-27-2009, 01:55 PM

I think it's fantastic that DNMP is getting out there again. Highly underrated game and it's one top notch side scroller. It's a lot of nostalgia.

I bought Duke 3D from there yesterday so that's like my # copy. I've lost track.

dan2091 · 02-27-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

All I know is some time last year I saw some documents that stated some work was done with our lawyer to try and recover the rights to the game. That honestly is the extent of what I know. Logically, since it's listed as going to be for sale, those rights have been recovered.

Which, IMO is a good thing, as the game deserves to be out there, it's a good one.

Water123.. The text you quoted from Wikipedia. I wrote it.

Hehe. Just bought a copy of Duke Nukem Manhattan Project on Amazon.com last week. Happy to have a boxed copy, I have a slim jewel case copy. I haven't recieved the game yet, as it takes too long to arrive here, 3 weeks being the least.
I ordered it along with Duke Nukem Atomic and Max Payne for the Gameboy Advance

. Deadly happy.

IceColdDuke · 02-28-2009, 01:14 PM

Joe: I know this question is OFF TOPIC so dont get mad at me

But if you guys recovered the rights for these games, would releasing the source code for SOME of these games be possible?

KO Gilligan · 02-28-2009, 02:39 PM

I think 3DRealms would rather not plug GOG when they have some packaged product still hanging around... just a guess.

I'd like to see Balls of Steel over there. Who wouldn't grab an XP/Vista working copy of that for $5.99

RedSplat · 02-28-2009, 03:06 PM

I don't get it, 3DR receives some cash from sales at GOG or what? How does all this work?

peoplessi · 02-28-2009, 03:31 PM

Some revenue yes, based on their agreement. That's how I have understood the thing. Same with others.

GoG is a great service, and the shopping is easy.

Reaper · 02-28-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

It's not like the Scott Host new executable for Raptor or something like that.

I've never heard of such a thing. I can't find it on 3dr's page for Raptor or through a simple google search.

Joe Siegler · 02-28-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IceColdDuke

Joe: I know this question is OFF TOPIC so dont get mad at me

But if you guys recovered the rights for these games,

I was talking SOLELY about Manhattan project. No other title.

AND AGAIN WITH THE SOURCE CODE - MOST OF THE OLD GAMES DON'T EVEN HAVE THESE MATERIALS IN EXISTANCE ANYMORE! I answer this a zillion times, I don't know why people think the answer will change!

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Originally Posted by Reaper

I've never heard of such a thing. I can't find it on 3dr's page for Raptor or through a simple google search.

Didn't look terribly hard, eh?

http://www.mking.com/

http://www.3drealms.com/news/2006/04...legacy_14.html

02-26-2009, 07:40 AM	#2
peoplessi	Re: Apogee titles hits GOG.com..! Odd that there was no talks before this But great! __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

02-26-2009, 07:46 AM	#3
Micki!	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Damn you, i just made a thread with your very message too This is some freaking awesome news though, i'll rebuy any gam i have there, as well get the ones i never played..! I just reported my thread, it was locked in time though... So it's cool... I wonder how i'll like Blake Stone... And i hope many other titles get up there very soon __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense' Last edited by Micki!; 02-26-2009 at 07:52 AM.

02-26-2009, 08:18 AM	#4
BloodWolf806	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Never played ROTT and I lost my copy of DNMP.... and 6 bucks a piece is hard to beat... __________________ You're beautiful when you're DYIN'

02-26-2009, 08:41 AM	#5
peoplessi	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Sounds good, but I'm thinking how will this affect the sales of the games that 3D Realms offer here. Maybe revenue of those older games isn't so important, or they are looking at GoG as a solid partner for digital distribution. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

02-26-2009, 09:13 AM	#6
SonnyBonds	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! There's no DRM on GoG. __________________ Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

02-26-2009, 09:16 AM	#7
Daedolon	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Time to buy my 4th copy of Duke Nukem 3D. Lifetime online support, extras and whatnot. Yeahh! __________________ Duke Hard - 17 map episode for Duke Nukem 3D.

02-26-2009, 10:22 AM	#8
alexgk	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! DN:MP and RotT... awesome __________________ Playable demo this year! Confirmed!!

02-26-2009, 11:06 AM	#9
Taril	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! I LOVE gog.com. I got Fallout 1 and 2 from them and they work perfectly on my Vista machine. And all the extras you get for such a little price tag is just amazing. __________________ Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey

02-26-2009, 11:23 AM	#10
BadScout	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Lovely. As I don't know where my copy of Duke3D went, I'm heading there to "get some". __________________ "I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream."

02-26-2009, 01:10 PM	#11
KO Gilligan	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Pow!!! GOG is great, I was just there a couple days ago checking out some new stuff like 2 days ago, this must be new. Count me in.... not like I need yet another copy But it's the principle of the matter that forces me to buy it on GOG

02-26-2009, 01:23 PM	#12
Phayzon	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Ill probably buy all of them, just to have digital copies (plus I lost my Blake Stone discs) and to support Apogree/3DR (and GoG). __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

02-26-2009, 01:29 PM	#13
Reaper	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! You guys must realize this only means Apogee developed games are coming down the pipe. Apogee published games are still a no-no unless the original developers decide to release them [on GOG]. I should be pissed, as I just bought RoTT from the 3DR store a month ago, and it cost $15, whereas on GOG I expect it to be 5.99 or less. Bad luck, I have. ... and I don't understand all these fools tripping over themselves to buy another copy, when they already have a functioning one. Last edited by Reaper; 02-26-2009 at 01:31 PM.

02-26-2009, 02:49 PM	#15
Jinroh	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! This is great news for some things. Others I'll stay with 3DR store as I like feeling the Physical Medium in my hands or on my shelves. Definitely going to pick up others I don't care about having the actual disks for.

02-26-2009, 02:52 PM	#16
Superczar	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! What is the deal with TMP? I thought it was stuck in limbo? __________________ 'F*** Fresch!!!'.

02-27-2009, 12:53 AM	#17
Water12356	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Same here, but hell I'll buy it for 6 bucks. __________________ "Psycho Mantis locking your doors, your fridge, shutting off your air conditioner, and clogging your toilet sure beats reading some crap off a memory card." - Mr. Blud "Men trade whatever they have for sex and women trade sex for whatever they want. That may be unromantic but theres truth to it." - Nessus

02-27-2009, 02:06 AM	#19
Glassagate	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! DN Manhattan Project? I thought that it was lost in bankruptcy hell? Can someone please explain this to me.

02-27-2009, 02:41 AM	#21
Glassagate	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! @ Water12356 It sounds like the website material was recovered, not the game. @ Everyone else... Is there anything stopping 3D Realms / Apogee from making a new side scrolling Duke game? I don't that there is, but of course, I'm no lawyer. If not themselves, then could someone license the rights to make a new one?

02-27-2009, 09:17 AM	#25
Water12356	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Thats why I used it. But I seriously hope the issue was resolved. I really enjoyed the demo of DN:MP. __________________ "Psycho Mantis locking your doors, your fridge, shutting off your air conditioner, and clogging your toilet sure beats reading some crap off a memory card." - Mr. Blud "Men trade whatever they have for sex and women trade sex for whatever they want. That may be unromantic but theres truth to it." - Nessus

02-27-2009, 01:55 PM	#33
ZuljinRaynor	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! I think it's fantastic that DNMP is getting out there again. Highly underrated game and it's one top notch side scroller. It's a lot of nostalgia. I bought Duke 3D from there yesterday so that's like my # copy. I've lost track. __________________ My vision is augmented.

02-28-2009, 01:14 PM	#35
IceColdDuke	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Joe: I know this question is OFF TOPIC so dont get mad at me But if you guys recovered the rights for these games, would releasing the source code for SOME of these games be possible?

02-28-2009, 02:39 PM	#36
KO Gilligan	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! I think 3DRealms would rather not plug GOG when they have some packaged product still hanging around... just a guess. I'd like to see Balls of Steel over there. Who wouldn't grab an XP/Vista working copy of that for $5.99

02-28-2009, 03:06 PM	#37
RedSplat	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! I don't get it, 3DR receives some cash from sales at GOG or what? How does all this work? __________________ ∙∙∙4∙∙∙8∙∙∙15∙∙∙16∙∙∙23∙∙∙42∙∙∙*

02-28-2009, 03:31 PM	#38
peoplessi	Re: Apogee on GOG.com! Some revenue yes, based on their agreement. That's how I have understood the thing. Same with others. GoG is a great service, and the shopping is easy. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?