Still anticipating DNF?

[North duker]

Originally Posted by Budskee420

well to be fair, it is STILL early 2009. But I wouldn't expect it to come out early 2009. At the very most early 2009 is when we'll finally get something concrete as to a release date, or some kind of media to show the current state of the game. Don't get your hopes up though, until they finally do. That only makes the wait seem even longer :P

Thanks
I`ll really hope that this long megawait is soon over and that this game is coming out somewhere in this year, because I have a special feeling that this year is the finally release year for this game and that this long wait is over.

Sooner or later they have to release it! 2009 should be the Finally release year for DNF. No more delaying this game. Yes We Can !

[MrAdidaking]

Yes. I know that with all the new stuff coming out they are in the process of finishiing. At least I think so anyways.

I have faith. I just wish ( as many of us do) that there was more info. But I already know the answer

[LadiesAndGentlemen]

If it comes out tomorrow, it will already be graphically outdated. So I really don't think they'll waste any more time.

[Angilion]

Originally Posted by North duker

So it´s the usually, nothing at all happened and nobody knows when this vapourware game Finally comes out. But they have actually making a promise last year, that this game is on focus and will coming out late 2008 or at least early 2009. Of course I staying tuned and see what’s happened. Sooner or later they have to release it! What are 3D Realms doing over there?

Can you quote a source for a statement from 3DR confirming a late 2008/early 2009 release?

I think you've misinterpreted something, because 3DR still says "when it's done". An official release year would be massive news, let alone anything smaller.

[ReadOnly]

Originally Posted by Angilion

Can you quote a source for a statement from 3DR confirming a late 2008/early 2009 release?

http://ll.bizjournals.com/audio/dbj_...r_3drealms.mp3

[Psyrgery]

Originally Posted by ReadOnly

http://ll.bizjournals.com/audio/dbj_...r_3drealms.mp3

That statement was recorded off the record and, of course it was denied and made unofficial by 3DRealms later.

The official release date, is When it's done.

[OttoMoto]

A word about graphics. Well - the're many features that can be included just by addin some shaders... Still - there's nothin new on a market that will raise up the quality of image to be better then UE3...or CryEngine...
Next step in real time 3d graphics is mental ray based lighting system...and imho it'll be able to run on a hardware maybe in 2012 or even in 2014. Just take a look at UE4 development...
So u can increase polygons number, characters number and even lights number but Picture will be the same quality. Yep u can use some 8192x8192 textures, or even larger but still it has no or small influence. If u want to know more - just google some "mental ray pictures" or somethin like that. Physically correct lighting system is the key for rendering a photorealistic picture.
In modern games (comparing to Doom3) u can see different materials (not just metal bump, like in Doom) and we will get some more of it till 2012. But still - they calculating it's properties just by simple formulas - wich can't give us photorealistic picture - and will never give.
So if u say - the graphics is outdated - u just have no idea about modern real time graphics at all. I say the picture is good, but it needs some 'features'. By 'features' i mean some HDR effects, occlusion parralax mapping, motion blur, sub surface scattering, even some reflections on that metal (ceramic?) armor of EDF pigs...
Well, parralax and sss shaders takes some extra maps to work, but i don't think that they have no parralax mapping (cuz it's a common technique already). As for sss shader - it's only for skin-like or grass-like materials...ok even implementing it just for skin will be a great improvement. (Just imagine protozoid slimer with some extra transparency driven by a light source).
Oh i've seen some HDR and blur in the last teaser - so they have somethin already done)
Yep and the last words - have u seen FEAR2? Is it an outdated by it's graphics? No?
So DNF looks twice better then FEAR2...imho
(sorry 4 my english again ^_^ hope u get it right)

[LadiesAndGentlemen]

Originally Posted by Psyrgery

That statement was recorded off the record and, of course it was denied and made unofficial by 3DRealms later.

The official release date, is When it's done.

Are you serious?

[Laokin]

Originally Posted by Psyrgery

That statement was recorded off the record and, of course it was denied and made unofficial by 3DRealms later.

The official release date, is When it's done.

lol off the record. You know what that shows? It shows they couldn't hit the INTERNAL release date. That means WID is never feasible.... since the end is "always" in sight. Personally I'm getting quite tired. I'm about to retire my commitment to duke. Took the wallpaper off threw out the mouse pad and the action figure.

Duke is becoming laughable.

[Psyrgery]

Originally Posted by Laokin

lol off the record. You know what that shows? It shows they couldn't hit the INTERNAL release date. That means WID is never feasible.... since the end is "always" in sight. Personally I'm getting quite tired. I'm about to retire my commitment to duke. Took the wallpaper off threw out the mouse pad and the action figure.

Duke is becoming laughable.

Duke has been laughable since the last restart in 2001/2.

It's us the fans who are becoming more tired of waiting, but it's funny to say that. 3DR has stated several times not to wait for this game. If we are waiting for it, it's because we want to, and it's completely our fault to get mad at the game developement when they miss their target dates.

As you may now, 3DR don't owe us anything. It's their game, they will show it when they feel like doing so, they will release it when they feel like doing so.

We cannot comply for what they are doing, as it's our decision to follow the game, is not up to them. What 3DR thinks of Duke Forever fans is:
"Are you a fan of DNF? Great, buy it when it's done, you are kindly welcomed within our comunity and we appreciate it.
Are you waiting for it? Well, I recommend you to play other games while doing so, as we will release it when we feel like doing so.
Oh, you've gotten tired of waiting and decided not to be a Duke fan anymore? Ok, no problem. You are free to think whatever you want"

So as you can see, they do not owe us anything.

And yes, it's hard to assume by us hardcore Duke fans. But that's the way it is.

[Stormfox]

Maybe we should let our fanboy enthusiasm grow to a certain level, then do a restart, go quiet for a few years then start making very small posts on the forum every few months, until one christmas where we post some fan art, then go quiet again and tell 3DR to stay tuned.

[peoplessi]

Originally Posted by Psyrgery

That statement was recorded off the record and, of course it was denied and made unofficial by 3DRealms later.

The official release date, is When it's done.

That, and the fact Scott Miller doesn't say it _will_ be done by 2008 / early 2009. He only said there is a definite internal push to do so. Again, taken bit out of context, but it's no secret 3D Realms want to get the game done too

[MrAdidaking]

Originally Posted by Psyrgery

Duke has been laughable since the last restart in 2001/2.

It's us the fans who are becoming more tired of waiting, but it's funny to say that. 3DR has stated several times not to wait for this game. If we are waiting for it, it's because we want to, and it's completely our fault to get mad at the game developement when they miss their target dates.

As you may now, 3DR don't owe us anything. It's their game, they will show it when they feel like doing so, they will release it when they feel like doing so.

We cannot comply for what they are doing, as it's our decision to follow the game, is not up to them. What 3DR thinks of Duke Forever fans is:
"Are you a fan of DNF? Great, buy it when it's done, you are kindly welcomed within our comunity and we appreciate it.
Are you waiting for it? Well, I recommend you to play other games while doing so, as we will release it when we feel like doing so.
Oh, you've gotten tired of waiting and decided not to be a Duke fan anymore? Ok, no problem. You are free to think whatever you want"

So as you can see, they do not owe us anything.

And yes, it's hard to assume by us hardcore Duke fans. But that's the way it is.

I don't agree. 3dR DOES owe its fans something... I think every gaming house does. We put money in their pockets to begin with.

Now imho they can take as long as they want to make this game. Just get us the game. I don't think thats asking or demanding too much is it?

[Dunedain]

Duke Nukem Forever is easily *the* most anticipated game of all the ones I'm looking forward to! And I think we'll have it by Christmas.

One a side note, my second most anticipated game is Max Payne III, although I'm quite worried that Remedy isn't making it, but hopefully they will at least write the story for it.

[terrannova]

"Still anticipating DNF?"

Absolutely. Since 1997 I have looked forward to the release of this game, and yes I still have my 250+ page Duke Nukem PC Gamer magazine that helped to generate this hype over 10 years ago.

This game will absolutely rock.

[Blade Nightflame]

Well, not as much as I initially did. But I'm guess I'm slightly enthusiastic about it. The unofficial gameplay video I think I've seen of it doesn't seem as promising, however, owing to that dark, dull graphical feel (compared to how lively the older games were.) it has.

[North duker]

Finally I want to say this
3D Realms must begin to understand that they can`t just continue this very very long Development of this Mega game DNF years after years and not showing up any result at all about this game or information, I’m not asking them to give away all nuts and bolts about this game. All developer must have some dead end and finally Release date for the game that they are actually working on! And of course 3D Realms must have a release plan for this game, if they are serious about this game at all. Remember what Barack Obama said to the world: Yes We Can! And he did it and becomes the president of the United States.
George Broussard is the president of 3D Realms Corporation, and he also can saying this: Yes We Can and we will Release DNF 2009, and we will do it!
Yes We Can! DNF The best game ever when it’s out and released 2009???

"We can`t waiting forever for this game"

(sorry for my bad English)

[Angilion]

Originally Posted by Stormfox

Maybe we should let our fanboy enthusiasm grow to a certain level, then do a restart, go quiet for a few years then start making very small posts on the forum every few months, until one christmas where we post some fan art, then go quiet again and tell 3DR to stay tuned.

That would be hugely amusing, and probably the most fun people will have with DNF.

[Angilion]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

That, and the fact Scott Miller doesn't say it _will_ be done by 2008 / early 2009. He only said there is a definite internal push to do so. Again, taken bit out of context, but it's no secret 3D Realms want to get the game done too

Actually, I think they don't. The lack of DNF is continuing free publicity. They just have to stoke it up every now and then when it dies down through sufficient boredom. They don't need to sell DNF. It's not like the company is riding on it. They can carry on doing other games instead. If they have spent so much time on DNF, they are bound to be reluctant to let go of it and push it out into the world to stand or fall on its own. It will probably attract many comments along the lines of not being worth waiting 12 years for, and that won't be nice for any people who've put a lot of work into it.

[LadiesAndGentlemen]

That's exactly what they were doing from 1998 to 2001. They were spamming the internet with hype and publicity even though the game didn't even exist to help their older games sell better.

[Angilion]

Originally Posted by North duker

Finally I want to say this
3D Realms must begin to understand that they can`t just continue this very very long Development of this Mega game DNF years after years and not showing up any result at all about this game or information,

They can, they have and they will continue to do so.

I’m not asking them to give away all nuts and bolts about this game. All developer must have some dead end and finally Release date for the game that they are actually working on!

They say they haven't, and I believe them.

And of course 3D Realms must have a release plan for this game, if they are serious about this game at all.

They say they haven't, and I believe them.

Remember what Barack Obama said to the world: Yes We Can! And he did it and becomes the president of the United States.
George Broussard is the president of 3D Realms Corporation, and he also can saying this: Yes We Can and we will Release DNF 2009, and we will do it!
Yes We Can! DNF The best game ever when it’s out and released 2009???

Barack Obama is under a great deal of scrutiny. He's arguably the most famous person in the world. 3DR isn't under any scrutiny. Barack Obama was standing for election. George Broussard isn't. Barack Obama will be held to account for his performance as president and will lose it if he doesn't do well enough. George Broussard won't be held to account for meeting a release date for DNF, because there isn't one. Barack Obama's job is to protect USA interests as much as possible. George Broussard's job is not to get DNF released.

So I say the two are not comparable.

"We can`t waiting forever for this game"

(sorry for my bad English)

We can't wait forever, but we can each wait until we die.

Maybe it'll be released next week, maybe it'll be released later this year, maybe it'll never be released. There's nothing anyone outside of 3DR can do about it. 3DR is under no pressure to release it, because DNF is entirely theirs. They aren't developing it for another company and they have no binding agreements with a publisher. It's entirely theirs, so they're free to develop it until the end of time if they like.

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

I wonder how many people committed suicide because of the wait for DNF.

[Laokin]

Originally Posted by Psyrgery

Duke has been laughable since the last restart in 2001/2.

It's us the fans who are becoming more tired of waiting, but it's funny to say that. 3DR has stated several times not to wait for this game. If we are waiting for it, it's because we want to, and it's completely our fault to get mad at the game developement when they miss their target dates.

As you may now, 3DR don't owe us anything. It's their game, they will show it when they feel like doing so, they will release it when they feel like doing so.

We cannot comply for what they are doing, as it's our decision to follow the game, is not up to them. What 3DR thinks of Duke Forever fans is:
"Are you a fan of DNF? Great, buy it when it's done, you are kindly welcomed within our comunity and we appreciate it.
Are you waiting for it? Well, I recommend you to play other games while doing so, as we will release it when we feel like doing so.
Oh, you've gotten tired of waiting and decided not to be a Duke fan anymore? Ok, no problem. You are free to think whatever you want"

So as you can see, they do not owe us anything.

And yes, it's hard to assume by us hardcore Duke fans. But that's the way it is.

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah, I don't agree either. They definitely owe me. I bought Duke3D 4 times. Atomic Edition, 2 regulars 2 plutonium packs and that DC mod. (While it may be 3rd party 3Drealms still made money off of it.)

I bought mousepads/posters even ACTION FIGURES. Come the "F" on. I've dumped over $500 in just Duke3D and merchandise. I also bought Time to Kill. Oh YEAH Duke3D 5 times because I forgot about Duke 64. ALMOST bought xbla. I also bought Manhattan project. Duke for game boy. Land of the babes also.

I've sunk so much money and time into 3Drealms. The same money that is FUNDING Duke 4E. You can call me an investor, and they owe me the product. I bought all those things because I KNEW it was helping 3Drealms. They are funding themselves off of money they made with previous games.

I also bought Max Payne 1 for this reason alone. Prey too.

How can you tell me they don't OWE me anything?

This nonsense of holding back information is just unacceptable. I'm not asking for spoilers. We know most of the weapons in the game. Why not show us? Even screenshots?!?! Make a test map, like a benchmark to show an basic idea of some of the interactive elements they added to the game.

This is not asking too much. This is asking for a little something back. I supported and supported and supported, and they treat us like we don't matter.

I got news for you, the consumer does matter. George's friends post about getting games out the gate even agreed that they do in fact OWE the consumer something. They owe us a game. Either that, or stop working on it and tell us you canceled it.

This guy is tired of cryptic little messages. Company reps going back on their word. George blatantly avoiding things that should be answered directly.

You know, the ONLY thing they every come on these forums to tell us is "This doesn't mean anything." If it doesn't don't say it. Don't show it. Don't do anything if there is no meaning. The only other time we see them is Christmas. To think we go to their OWN website and don't get any information, but he posts his little tidbits on some Iphone b/s twitter site. I don't know how a company can walk all over it's supporters any harder than them.

To think George said **** Sony. Last I checked Sony at very least puts out games. Talk about badly marketing a demo. Duke Nukem Forever after 12 years of production doesn't even have a proper screenshot that shows the REAL in game. I'm talking hud. So how about I use George's logic. **** 3DRealms.

Biggest and most UNPROFESSIONAL hypocrites in the business. Duke isn't what is laughable, 3Drealms is.... and all of it's employee's. Your work means nothing to me if you can't even prove to me it exists. 2 screenshots and an out of game teaser trailer. How fast could you make a few models and load up UT3 and shut the hud off to take a screenshot?

Sorry, if I'm coming a crossed rude or stern but 3Drealms has come across more rude than I could ever imagine. To think that you could be arrogant enough to say "**** the people who want to buy this game." Say that to enough people and you won't move a unit. Doesn't matter how much hype you build, if the game isn't short of AMAZING it's going to get terrible reviews. Articles are going to treat it like Daikatana even if it is above average just because of the wait time.

The reason their is a flock to media isn't because those people are interested in buying the game... they are curious to see what a 12 year game cycle is. Only the hardcore of hardcore knows all the details. Those million hits are people who heard DNF jokes and are in disbelief that the game exists. What people are really going to be doing is finding the negative in the game. (I AM talking about the average pc game consumer, not the duke fan.) If 3DRealms wants to continue it's own career suicide then by all means continue on the path your on.

If things don't change before 1st quarter, this game doesn't have a chance.

[Luther Blissett]

You were a little too direct in your post

but i can't help but to say you re right

they owe us respect

owe is a bad word anyway , it s not like we can order them around ( and it wouldn't be fair either )

let s just say that we are their health , their blood

they were able to develop DNF for all these years thanks to our hard earned money

i admit they always hit the spot when they got a game out , be it their first party or 3rd party ( prey, max payne)

so i can't complain about what i bought , i was always damn happy about it


but 3DR has to show us something , even something very little , like a screenshot like you said

where we don't have to guess if that s an arm or a crocodile or a cinnamon stick

we want light on DNF , not this kind of useless secrecy that is dragging the company's reputation down

before it s too late , and in this period of global crysis on top of that

i think a wise company would pay more attention to its fanbase , even more than a few years ago

because the fanbase is the blood pumping in the company's veins

no blood , no heartbeat

no heartbeat, you re dead:\

i hope i don't get banned , but laokin post was really spot on i had to add my useless opinion on top of it


oh and PS. i m so "mad" about you 3DR just because i really really respect you

you re our last stand , our last hope and pride

before everything becomes EA's or Ubi's property
and real games like the ones you re getting out won't exist anymore

so i feel i don't want you to ever fall from grace.

[ReadOnly]

Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

I wonder how many people committed suicide because of the wait for DNF.

Actually, DNF is one of the reasons not to commit suicide. Since it's not done or cancelled DNF remains to be the reason to live.

[vincentdante]

Woah people actually bought games just to fund 3drealms??? I buy games to you know play. I hope you relise that a company "owes" us nothing but the products we pay for. As an example if you buy like 10 copies of GTA4 in hopes for them to release another, your not you are just buying 10 copies of GTA4 they are not obliged to make anymore.

[Luther Blissett]

vincent ,

that is not what i meant

Rockstar , owes us nothing , because they didn't announce a GTAV still..

BUT , if ever they announce it , and then start getting people HYPED up ( very important point of this argument )

then go silent all of a sudden , people are going to be upset , and the fans , still hanging around Rockstar , believing in Rockstar

will be really pissed off as they supported the company , and the company is now moping the floor with them

did you get my point?

Apply what i said to DNF , and you ll see no one said to buy 3DR games to get DNF out

it s a matter of bein open and honest with the fans who supported you

you have to let your supporters know the truth

wether it s really coming out or not

they owe us this , Information, answers , respect , not the game itself , that , like i said

it s out of our reach , and if they want , let it be out, but serious fans

want this charade to stop, good endings or bad endings ... but let this joke end.
sorry for my bad english, i m trying my best

[SpinX]

people who think that duke nukem forever is vaporware, charade, joke can't call themselves gamers... they are jsut ignorant morons who never played a 3Drealms game...

[MrAdidaking]

Originally Posted by Laokin

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah, I don't agree either. They definitely owe me. I bought Duke3D 4 times. Atomic Edition, 2 regulars 2 plutonium packs and that DC mod. (While it may be 3rd party 3Drealms still made money off of it.)

I bought mousepads/posters even ACTION FIGURES. Come the "F" on. I've dumped over $500 in just Duke3D and merchandise. I also bought Time to Kill. Oh YEAH Duke3D 5 times because I forgot about Duke 64. ALMOST bought xbla. I also bought Manhattan project. Duke for game boy. Land of the babes also.

I've sunk so much money and time into 3Drealms. The same money that is FUNDING Duke 4E. You can call me an investor, and they owe me the product. I bought all those things because I KNEW it was helping 3Drealms. They are funding themselves off of money they made with previous games.

I also bought Max Payne 1 for this reason alone. Prey too.

How can you tell me they don't OWE me anything?

This nonsense of holding back information is just unacceptable. I'm not asking for spoilers. We know most of the weapons in the game. Why not show us? Even screenshots?!?! Make a test map, like a benchmark to show an basic idea of some of the interactive elements they added to the game.

This is not asking too much. This is asking for a little something back. I supported and supported and supported, and they treat us like we don't matter.

I got news for you, the consumer does matter. George's friends post about getting games out the gate even agreed that they do in fact OWE the consumer something. They owe us a game. Either that, or stop working on it and tell us you canceled it.

This guy is tired of cryptic little messages. Company reps going back on their word. George blatantly avoiding things that should be answered directly.

You know, the ONLY thing they every come on these forums to tell us is "This doesn't mean anything." If it doesn't don't say it. Don't show it. Don't do anything if there is no meaning. The only other time we see them is Christmas. To think we go to their OWN website and don't get any information, but he posts his little tidbits on some Iphone b/s twitter site. I don't know how a company can walk all over it's supporters any harder than them.

To think George said **** Sony. Last I checked Sony at very least puts out games. Talk about badly marketing a demo. Duke Nukem Forever after 12 years of production doesn't even have a proper screenshot that shows the REAL in game. I'm talking hud. So how about I use George's logic. **** 3DRealms.

Biggest and most UNPROFESSIONAL hypocrites in the business. Duke isn't what is laughable, 3Drealms is.... and all of it's employee's. Your work means nothing to me if you can't even prove to me it exists. 2 screenshots and an out of game teaser trailer. How fast could you make a few models and load up UT3 and shut the hud off to take a screenshot?

Sorry, if I'm coming a crossed rude or stern but 3Drealms has come across more rude than I could ever imagine. To think that you could be arrogant enough to say "**** the people who want to buy this game." Say that to enough people and you won't move a unit. Doesn't matter how much hype you build, if the game isn't short of AMAZING it's going to get terrible reviews. Articles are going to treat it like Daikatana even if it is above average just because of the wait time.

The reason their is a flock to media isn't because those people are interested in buying the game... they are curious to see what a 12 year game cycle is. Only the hardcore of hardcore knows all the details. Those million hits are people who heard DNF jokes and are in disbelief that the game exists. What people are really going to be doing is finding the negative in the game. (I AM talking about the average pc game consumer, not the duke fan.) If 3DRealms wants to continue it's own career suicide then by all means continue on the path your on.

If things don't change before 1st quarter, this game doesn't have a chance.

I can agree with this statement. To a point. Again I think owe is the wrong word. It is not like they are working for us. But we are fans and we do iope and watch and purchase products from 3drealms.

the least that they could do is give us something back.

[Kristian Joensen]

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah, I don't agree either. They definitely owe me. I bought Duke3D 4 times. Atomic Edition, 2 regulars 2 plutonium packs and that DC mod. (While it may be 3rd party 3Drealms still made money off of it.)

I bought mousepads/posters even ACTION FIGURES. Come the "F" on. I've dumped over $500 in just Duke3D and merchandise. I also bought Time to Kill. Oh YEAH Duke3D 5 times because I forgot about Duke 64. ALMOST bought xbla. I also bought Manhattan project. Duke for game boy. Land of the babes also.

I've sunk so much money and time into 3Drealms. The same money that is FUNDING Duke 4E. You can call me an investor, and they owe me the product. I bought all those things because I KNEW it was helping 3Drealms. They are funding themselves off of money they made with previous games.

I also bought Max Payne 1 for this reason alone. Prey too.

How can you tell me they don't OWE me anything?

No, this is basically incorrect. Flat earth category of wrong.

For the money you paid for those things 3DR owed you Duke3D, Manhattan Project, Prey, etc and guess what you got all of those things. There is absolutely NO obligation placed upon 3DR to deliver future games to you by virtue of buying earlier games and products. You got those games you paid for. What your are saying is like saying "Microsoft owe me Windows 7 because I bought Windows Vista and Windows XP and all the previous versions of Windows, I am an INVESTOR in Microsoft"

Pure, total and utter bullshit.

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian summed it up so perfectly I'll simply concur.

[LadiesAndGentlemen]

You're missing the point completely. What he's saying is that he could have very easily pirated those games but he decided not to because he was expecting 3D Realms to make another game. But they never did and they never intended to even start working on one until around 2003.

[vincentdante]

Originally Posted by Kristian Joensen

No, this is basically incorrect. Flat earth category of wrong.

For the money you paid for those things 3DR owed you Duke3D, Manhattan Project, Prey, etc and guess what you got all of those things. There is absolutely NO obligation placed upon 3DR to deliver future games to you by virtue of buying earlier games and products. You got those games you paid for. What your are saying is like saying "Microsoft owe me Windows 7 because I bought Windows Vista and Windows XP and all the previous versions of Windows, I am an INVESTOR in Microsoft"

Pure, total and utter bullshit.

That is what I said as well. I just did an assignment about professionalism in the games industry. God it sucked XD

Did you know that professionaly a corporation has no legal and ehtical obligation except to make money. Also if you work for a corproation apparently by law you have to lie in order to protect it if it ever gets in trouble crazy stuff I had to read.

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by ReadOnly

Actually, DNF is one of the reasons not to commit suicide. Since it's not done or cancelled DNF remains to be the reason to live.

People do seem to get stressed over it though.

[bhalbrook]

Wow, a lot of emotionally invested people interested in the outcome of one really old computer game. I hope no persons are basing their suicide decisions on the release of a video game.

It's no wonder George never gave up any control over Duke. I don't blame him for that, I wouldn't have either.

I can see Laokin's view, as I too have hoped that my purchases of 3DRealms products would help ensure the future product of my favorite game. In the same way that when I buy a CD of some musician, I hope it helps to enable future music that I enjoy.

I also agree that "owe" is maybe too much. But I hope the musician appreciates my support, because it isn't guaranteed either.

I agree with Luther, knowing that I don't want a big company with a bottom line pushing my favorite game to be just like the last big selling whatever. (Seen that happen with other games I like and music too)

I really want the same creative minds that came up with the idea I could shrink my friends and chase them around trying to step on them to make the sequel.

I don't care if DNF is the greatest looking game on the market; I just want it to be as much fun as DN3D. That will sell it, if it comes out.

But damn. My daughter that was scared to watch me play Duke 3D when she was little is now in high school and making fun of me for waiting still.

Tempus Fugit, George.

and... Isn't it about time a big ol' lock appeared somewhere around here?

[Angilion]

Originally Posted by SpinX

people who think that duke nukem forever is vaporware, charade, joke can't call themselves gamers... they are jsut ignorant morons who never played a 3Drealms game...

I think that DNF is vapourware. Actually, I know that it is vapourware, since it has been vapourware for 10 years. I think that it will remain vapourware for at least another year, perhaps until it fades away completely. I don't expect it to be released. It is a joke. How can it not be after so long as the unchallenged king of vapourware? It's such a joke that the official FAQ and rules for these forums have to state that 3DR staff have already heard all the jokes. They had probably heard them all by 10 years ago.

If DNF is ever released then it will stop being vapourware. It would then probably also stop being a joke, unless 3DR do a Daikatana with it (which I very much doubt would happen). Right now, though, it's vapourware and a joke. A joke that those of us here are laughing with rather than at, but still a joke.

I'm almost sure that I remember Apogee from my first PC, with a 386(DX)-25, 1MB of memory and 120MB of HDD storage (which required two drives, as the highest capacity at the time was 80MB). And yes, I do mean MB, not GB.

My carefully treated big cardboard box of Duke Nukem 3D is on the shelf behind me, only slightly whitened at the corners by wear.

I have been gaming since 1981, when I was given my first computer (a ZX-81, complete with the infamous wobbly 16KB RAMpack). I taught myself the basics of programming on that.

I spent 6 weeks working 30 hours a week picking runner beans in my summer holiday to earn the money to buy the hugely impressive 48KB(*) ZX Spectrum shortly after it was released, because it had high resolution graphics (256x192, if I recall correctly), colour (8...but only 1 colour per 8x8 pixel block, or you got a lot of flickering) and sound (one channel beeping). I played Chequered Flag in a shop on the day it was released and was so impressed that I knew it was worth 180 hours of hard labour to own a machine powerful enough to run such a cutting-edge game. I wrote my first game on that machine.

I have probably been gaming since before you were born. I have 48 boxed retail games on my shelf at the mpment (EDIT: I've just counted to check - it's actually 50) and some more on my HDD as direct downloads.

I know more than you do and I am obviously more intelligent than you are.

So if I am "jsut ignorant morons who never played a 3Drealms game" and a non-gamer, what does that make you?


* It actually addressed 64KB, but 16KB was reserved for the OS and BASIC on a ROM, leaving 48K for useable memory.

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Originally Posted by LadiesAndGentlemen

You're missing the point completely. What he's saying is that he could have very easily pirated those games but he decided not to because he was expecting 3D Realms to make another game. But they never did and they never intended to even start working on one until around 2003.

That's still a flawed argument. You're buying a game because company worked on it. You're not paying for a some game in the future. You're paying retrospectively for the work they've already done.

About "owe". Of course, 3dr doesn't owe us anything money-related or smth. But still, they owe us some respect when they hype the game. Of course, it's business, but still it's a valid thing for us to expect.