Anyone have some old Apogee and DOS games for sale/trade

[Jeffpiatt]

your not so much paying for the game media as you are the box and manual. They just do not pack games like they use to.

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by Jeffpiatt

your not so much paying for the game media as you are the box and manual. They just do not pack games like they use to.

I completely agree, those DVD style package are just not interesting anymore. I did not like the smaller boxes but they where still boxes (I'm referring to the Doom 3 style ones, the original Doom/Heretic boxes are the most awesome ones I can think of). I couldn't care less for the newest types of packages.

The first point you make is what collecting games is all about. The box is just everything for me. It makes me sad when the manual is missing but when there is no box (in good condition, I am among the ones that hunt for 10/10's) it's a no-go.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

There is a gray area on what a game is worth after a certain point. Part of said point is how much someone is willing to pay for given quality. An example would be boxed DooM original... great condition boxes are out there for under $100... but as new boxes are extremely rare. Like $1000 rare.
This Heretic Shareware box looks very good in the image. $49 for it would be a premium price for sure, but it might be a premium box and be easily worth that to a certain person. I have mostly 7's,8's and 9's, so to speak, in my collection. I open all of my games or trade my as new games for others 8's and 9's if available.
I bought original DooM and Heretic direct for myself, but the Heretic shareware I bought in the last two or three years if I remember correctly... and I am almost certain I paid less than $15 for it. I have mine listed as a "7.5". It has some compression wrinkles and some minor seam warpage. Good enough for me though.
As far as not lowering their prices... some dealers know what a game is worth based on its condition and their experience selling games. Because of this, they know the right buyer has to find it.
That is how I look at "high" prices for games.
MrBlackCat

I agree again. Of course the price is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. However when the demand is not there for a while, prices usually drop. When normal auctions are relisted the price is usually a little bit lower. This continues until I find the price right and use the BIN. No chance for this one though. Maybe at the end of 2010 we will be discussing about the same Heretic for $50 (btw: If I lived in the US I would probably have bought it, shipping and custums easily double that price for me right now)

Have you even seen an original Doom that was really new? I have only seen the one from Dave Taylor that was auctioned together with his car. I tried with all I could think of to get that one (I would literally pay thousands for that item) but I failed. He insisted on selling it with the car, which of course I could never win. It sold for over $21K. This is easily the most desireable item I can think of. It was framed during the time Doom was shipped so it's in perfect shape and still brand new. Probably one of the very first copies as well....sigh

Outside that auction, I never heard of a Doom that was brand new, nor of Doom's that where sold for $1000 or more. My most expensive Doom is the 5.25 copy which I bought for 600 euros. Expensive but still not over $1000. Ironically my best preserved box is also the cheapest, version 1.666. It cost me only $12. It was a very poor listing so I was extremely lucky with that one. The only flaw I can find is a little bit of bending on the lid from opening the box. The rest is just perfect, not a single scratch or dent.

Now that I think of it, you bought Doom directly from ID. How did it arrive? Was it sealed? In a box for protection?

A new Doom would require somebody that thought hey! I just buy two and keep one in perfect condition while I open the other for playing. I dont think there where many collectors back then, so a new Doom is probably just a rare a a 2.5kg diamond. I can only dream of a never opened Doom (or Heretic would be just as good).

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

The first point you make is what collecting
games is all about. The box is just everything for me. It makes me sad when the manual is missing but when there is no box (in good condition, I am among the ones that hunt for 10/10's) it's a no-go.

I can personally live with a few minor damages, chances of finding a truelly perfect box is almost zero.

That reminds me of a certain seller who manhandled the box to transform it into a shippingbox because he "had no packaging" (as he said). I bought a German big boxed copy of Duke Nukem Manhattan Project and this is how I got it;



I can easily see that the box was perfect before being abused by the seller. Needles to say, I felt a strange sudden urge to remove his head from his neck in a slightly violent way after discovering it. Luckily it wasn't very expensive and I already had a perfect box of the game so that combined with the survivors of the second purchase make a perfect complete boxed copy of the German special edition of Manhattan Project who looks like this;

[omega_supreme]

Awww that is awefull

I have never seen a box damaged by shipping that severe! That is insane and I hope to never experience it. Good thing you had the other box.

[Jeffpiatt]

I don't have any games for sale but i have the hint book for ROTT for sale on amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/157...HN&sn=jspsales

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

I dont think there where many collectors back then, so a new Doom is probably just a rare a a 2.5kg diamond. I can only dream of a never opened Doom (or Heretic would be just as good).

You mean something like this?

P.S. = I have a complete boxed copy of Strife I might want to sell but would such a thing fetch a good price on eBay? Anyone an idea?

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by Iggy

You mean something like this?

P.S. = I have a complete boxed copy of Strife I might want to sell but would such a thing fetch a good price on eBay? Anyone an idea?

I think omega_supreme is looking for the pre-Ultimate...

Strife is gettiner harder to find for sure. I really like Strife... lots of reasons. The market to sell here in the US is really bad. I hope it is better elsewhere. My price references are less and less accurate as FPS game prices crash basically. Strife in the last five years, complete, sells for $18 to $48 USD... but I have not seen it in a while. I have shown that game to a number of people who never knew it existed and they were hooked.


MrBlackCat

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

I am tempted by this one for a while now. After Doom, Heretic is really one of my favorites to collect.
The price is still a bit too high for my taste though. For half that price I wouldn't hesitate for a second.
This is a really nice copy. THe problem is that these "game dealers" never lower their prices, even after
6 month or more.

This enough?

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I think omega_supreme is looking for the pre-Ultimate...

Strife is gettiner harder to find for sure. I really like Strife... lots of reasons. The market to sell here in the US is really bad. I hope it is better elsewhere. My price references are less and less accurate as FPS game prices crash basically. Strife in the last five years, complete, sells for $18 to $48 USD... but I have not seen it in a while. I have shown that game to a number of people who never knew it existed and they were hooked.


MrBlackCat

Thanks for the answer, guess I'll keep it for now.

[omega_supreme]

Ah finally some action at 3DRealms again. I kind of expected a big reply from MrBlackCat again, after I posted all those question. Probably forgot about it eh?! Just kidding I'm glad there is some collectors conversation again.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I think omega_supreme is looking for the pre-Ultimate...

.......

Strife is gettiner harder to find for sure.
MrBlackCat

That's right, I was referring to the mail order package that came directly from ID Software. I have some sealed Ultimate Doom boxes but since those are all retail they are not even close to an unopened originalmail order version. By the way, MrBlackCat, if you can find some time: I would still like to know what you know/think with regard to the questions I posted in my previous post here in this topic.

Strife is indeed becoming more and more difficult to find in box. I haven't seen one on ebay for quite some time now. I'm not really looking for one but I still need it. It might actually fetch quite a nice price now. But it will not be that easy to find one again in case you regret selling afterwards.

Originally Posted by Iggy

This enough?

Yes, that's more like it. I noticed it before (second time on ebay now) but decided not too buy. The box is not perfect enough for me, unless I knew for sure that the mark on the seal can be erased. Anyway, it seems this one is solf now so it does not matter anymore.

I just bought the original registered Heretic on floppy disks. I got in contact with a former Raven employee and asked for Heretic. Unfortunately he insisted on selling it on ebay so I had to battle off other collectors. It was worth it though, it was really high on my wanted list.

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

Ah finally some action at 3DRealms again. I kind of expected a big reply from MrBlackCat again, after I posted all those question. Probably forgot about it eh?! Just kidding I'm glad there is some collectors conversation again.

That's right, I was referring to the mail order package that came directly from ID Software. I have some sealed Ultimate Doom boxes but since those are all retail they are not even close to an unopened originalmail order version. By the way, MrBlackCat, if you can find some time: I would still like to know what you know/think with regard to the questions I posted in my previous post here in this topic.

The inability to communicate daily and thoroughly is why I quit selling games a while back.
I will try to respond to as much as I can though. Sometimes there isn’t a simple answer and there isn’t time to respond with the level of depth or accuracy I would like... the result is that I put it off a few days and ultimately forget.

With regard to DooM original, "I simply don't know" the answers, with any authority, to the questions you ask... but I will tell you what I know... and a quick story to go with it.

DooM original... The box I have was not sealed in any way that I remember. However, I have seen new original Heretic boxes that were sealed with a tape-disk.
New boxes exist. I have brokered two new DooM games and neither was sealed. I have a tool I made to open boxes without damage to the tabs in anyway. I also do box restoration for game boxes which have not had the luxury of such a tool. In these two instances the items were sent to me and verified contents to be new by opening them… kind of ironic isn’t it. Either way, it was not possible to tell they had been handled or opened. These two were sold for $800 and $1000. I repackaged them and sent them out to the buyer. One of these persons had accidentally received two copies in the order... just like that. The other had bought two and the friend backed out on him for financial reasons and he just kept it put up. I no longer have contact with anyone who has a perfect DooM or other id Software original boxed game for sale. For additional information, I can't remember what my DooM copy cost, I would have to go find it, but I do remember Heretic was $40... that was A LOT of money 15 years ago. The games cost is one contributing factor to why so few were put back.
What was in them originally... this varies also. The two I handled (only a couple of months apart) did not contain the same things. I trust both suppliers completely and both were original buyers, but both boxes contained different things, just like my original Heretics. The disk labels were different, I remember that. Then one had the addendum and the other did not. One was the older version I suppose.
My point is that nothing is set in stone and it seems to be more an issue back then. These would have been hand packed, right in the office back then. It would not be safe to assume that someone is inaccurate to say their copy of a game came with this or that.
This type of variation has taught me over the years to avoid typing/speaking in absolutes. It grates on my nerves to see it here on the forums every day statements like “DooM was never shipped in disk form in blah, blah, blah year.” Don’t bet on it... you might think you know, but you don’t... as I will point out now.

I was told that D!Zone 2 – 100, (NOT 1000) was never boxed. My cousin said it was. WizardWorks contact (of mine) said it wasn’t, as far as she knew. WizardWorks distribution (contact of hers) said it was not. Cousin said it was... cousin works for printer and has proofs with an order # for a small (a few thousand) set of them... which I have seen with my own eyes.
More to this story... while these did go to order cousin can not verify they were actually ever printed as the billing information that might verify this is long out of accounting. Also there is no additional sub-jobs for things like registration cards, instruction etc. Lots of factors could have happened though. If the job was transferred to another branch of Cousin Company, it would look like it does now. If it was never printed, it could look like (in the computer system) it does now. Maybe job was cancelled. But a box design did exist, so there is a slight possibility a few thousand were printed distributed. I had a couple of people tell me D!Zone 75 was never released either, but I have one and have seen several, but they are rare. There are two versions of D!Zone 2 – 1000 box. As for D!Zone 2 – 100, I have never seen one, and no one I have typed with has ever seen one either.
I still search for a boxed D!Zone 2 – 100 as they are one of my favorite lines.

If I missed any other questions, please re-post them as I don’t see them.

MrBlackCat

[Iggy]

Speaking of Doom, anyone looking of an original Australian boxed copy? Would love to have one of these for myself but I think this one might end up too much for me.

Other auctions I found;
- Duke3D Action Figures
- Blood - Cryptic Passage (supposedly new)
- Duke Nukem Zero Hour ad
- Doom, D!Zone 2 - 1000, Doom Screensaver

Question => Does anyone know whether or not Duke Nukem - Total Chaos ever came in a box? It's another shovelware collection but still I would like to know if a big box exists. You can see the cover in this auction.

Also, since a few days I'm the proud owner of this little bloke.

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

If I missed any other questions, please re-post them as I don’t see them.
MrBlackCat

No, no, this is plenty! Please don't get me wrong, I really appreciate and respect all your answers. I fully understand you do not have unlimited time for my questions. I was just expecting a post just like the one you just made because it seemed you where also very enthousiastic about this topic that actually turned off-topic to ID Software quickly. (thats my fault ) If not than let me know and I wont bother you anymore with Doom. Even on the Doom forums people are not really interested in these kind of things.

The information you just provided is extremely interesting for me. It seems that you have had a vast scala of Doom games in the past (I wish we had met sooner). I can tell you that Doom also cost $40 when released, it's on one of my mail order invoices. I expected Doom was not sealed and to be honest I am REALLY suprised Heretic was sealed . But I can also not imagine that the small boxes where just mailed in an envelope. There is a short video on youtube that shows the ID office. There is a display with a doom box that seems to be sealed with plastic. Thats why I wondered. Would still be interesting to know how it was shipped though. Maybe I'll ask one of the ID guys how it was done. Just like you said, I remember reading that it was just a couple of people folding boxes and putting disks and manuals in it. Since this was all done by hand I can imagine an item is missed one or twice. In principle all of them should have the Addendum, even version 1.9.

Can you remember on what media you have had the original Doom in the past? (3 episode mailorder only) What I have seen is 5.25" disk version 1.2 only, of course 3.5" disk up to version 1.666 and version 1.9 on CD. The label on the disk depends on the version. 1.1 is blue and the rest is red.

Recently I also acquired a shareware copy (disks only) from ID Software themselves. They have the same blue label as the registered 1.1 copy. So that answers the question you posted some weeks back. There is an ID release of the shareware, I just don't know if there was a box. The small Heretic box is from GT by the way so the equivalent for Doom would be the box I posted pictures of earlier.

This tool to open boxes sounds very interesting an pretty usefull for me as well. I have been thinking about something to open boxes without damaging the box any further. How does it work?

Originally Posted by Iggy

Speaking of Doom, anyone looking of an original Australian boxed copy? Would love to have one of these for myself but I think this one might end up too much for me.

This might get expensive indeed. Last week I lost one that sold for $230 but on the other hand, I did not notice this auction and I regularly seek ebay.co.au for the australian Doom. I don't have all the ones I want yet but I will not be bothering you on this one, so good luck!

The action figure looks interesting too. Looks pretty accurate for a custom build from other parts.

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by Iggy

Speaking of Doom, anyone looking of an original Australian boxed copy? Would love to have one of these for myself but I think this one might end up too much for me.

Oooo... cool. I doubt I will be in the running on this one either. Cool though.

Originally Posted by Iggy

Question => Does anyone know whether or not Duke Nukem - Total Chaos ever came in a box? It's another shovelware collection but still I would like to know if a big box exists. You can see the cover in this auction.

I have not seen it in a box before I guess. I thought I had it in a box, but I just went and checked and I have only the Jewel Case version. Strange because I could have sworn I had it boxed. I must have it confused with something else. I will try to find if anyone else knows. It is hard to find in any form though. I paid a few dollars for my copy. I think that warehouse31 eBay seller (or something like that) is way off on his prices generally speaking.

Originally Posted by Iggy

Also, since a few days I'm the proud owner of this little bloke.

Cool! I have always wanted to make a good Duke Nukem 12" (30cm)figure.

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

No, no, this is plenty! Please don't get me wrong, I really appreciate and respect all your answers. I fully understand you do not have unlimited time for my questions. I was just expecting a post just like the one you just made because it seemed you where also very enthousiastic about this topic that actually turned off-topic to ID Software quickly. (thats my fault ) If not than let me know and I wont bother you anymore with Doom. Even on the Doom forums people are not really interested in these kind of things.

I am pretty enthusiastic, but still all the time I can spare does go here as this is all I have.
As far as being off-topic, I am not concerned with that part too much as it still falls into the area of your desired games when you created the thread.
I have sold more Duke Nukem 3D than DooM related things by far, but I like all the DOS First Person Shooters.

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

The information you just provided is extremely interesting for me. It seems that you have had a vast scala of Doom games in the past (I wish we had met sooner). I can tell you that Doom also cost $40 when released, it's on one of my mail order invoices. I expected Doom was not sealed and to be honest I am REALLY suprised Heretic was sealed . But I can also not imagine that the small boxes where just mailed in an envelope. There is a short video on youtube that shows the ID office. There is a display with a doom box that seems to be sealed with plastic. Thats why I wondered.

My copy of Heretic was not sealed in any way I don't think, but I have seen it what I believe to be factor sealed with a tape-dot. However, my copy of Heretic Shareware IS sealed... it is shrink wrapped.

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

Can you remember on what media you have had the original Doom in the past? (3 episode mailorder only) What I have seen is 5.25" disk version 1.2 only, of course 3.5" disk up to version 1.666 and version 1.9 on CD. The label on the disk depends on the version. 1.1 is blue and the rest is red.

I have a couple of loose disk sets for DooM both sharware and Registered, but I don't know what versions I have other than 1.666. The ones I have sold, I do not remember what versions they were.

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

This tool to open boxes sounds very interesting an pretty usefull for me as well. I have been thinking about something to open boxes without damaging the box any further. How does it work?

I have a couple actually, but the best one I have, nothing fancy, just a very thin metal tool I made by folding and shaping very thin aluminum sheet. It slips through the box opening and you pull it upward and slide it to one end of the box flap and it twists the "tab" back against the outside of the box to the inner flap won't catch at all... then you slide it to the other end and the box is opened with no creasing. I will take a picture of it some time in the future as I don't think I have any images of it.

I do type with a person who has the largest and most complete collection of id Software items in the world... I will see if I can get some of his time to pose some of these questions to. Kind as he is, as would be expected, he is always very busy.

We shall see,
MrBlackCat

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

Oooo... cool. I doubt I will be in the running on this one either. Cool though.

At 8 lousy eurie's it ended, I would have bought it for that amount without thinking. Tjeez.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I have not seen it in a box before I guess. I thought I had it in a box, but I just went and checked and I have only the Jewel Case version. Strange because I could have sworn I had it boxed. I must have it confused with something else. I will try to find if anyone else knows. It is hard to find in any form though. I paid a few dollars for my copy. I think that warehouse31 eBay seller (or something like that) is way off on his prices generally speaking.

Warehouse31 overcharges on a ton of items.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

Cool! I have always wanted to make a good Duke Nukem 12" (30cm)figure.

I think the creator of that figure is Xenoviper here. His eBay avatar is exactly the Duke figure Xenoviper was working on (topic). The figure I got is really awesome, minor catch is that I think his chin is too thick. Shame I can't bend his legs or arms, you could make some really cool poses with it otherwise.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I do type with a person who has the largest and most complete collection of id Software items in the world... I will see if I can get some of his time to pose some of these questions to. Kind as he is, as would be expected, he is always very busy.

This screams for photo's.

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by Iggy

This screams for photo's.

Probably this collection?:



The collection is owned by someone that calls himself Dusty on the Doom forums. It looks really impressive but I can't find too many original Doom games in his picture.

[Iggy]

Holy cosmos that's a lot of stuff.

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by Iggy

At 8 lousy eurie's it ended, I would have bought it for that amount without thinking. Tjeez.

This screams for photo's.

WoW that went cheap... I actually forgot about it.

omega_supreme has a photo. Dusty is a really nice guy. That is not all of his collection, but it is a lot of it. That is all he could get out at once for that shot. He has a lot of unique items and specific posters from foreign countries etc. Original games... I honestly don't know what he has in a list form, so to speak. I can say from his wanted list (which I keep) that he probably has most any original id products. This image was taken during a transition to some custom cabinets he was making for display of specific id items, so some items might have already been in the new cases. Dusty likes to have two of each item 10/10 with one opened, contents displayed, and one as it would be on the shelf... and that is how he displays his collection.
He once told me that if he ever expanded his collection beyond id Software that Duke Nukem/Apogee would be a possibility. That would be great.

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

Probably this collection?:



The collection is owned by someone that calls himself Dusty on the Doom forums. It looks really impressive but I can't find too many original Doom games in his picture.

I am surprised he shared that picture really. I was asked not to share images of his collection (as with most people I know), but that one is very low res compared to the ones I have. I know of several things he has that are missing from that image just with a quick scan. He is a pretty private guy, so I will refrain at this point.

MrBlackCat

[Iggy]

Another batch of interesting eBay auctions I found;

- Exhumed (boxed)
- D!Zone 2 - 1000, Doom 2, Doom screensaver (boxed and sealed)
- Silly looking Duke Nukem II Shareware copy
- Blood - Cryptic Passage (sealed box says seller)

I would have got that Exhumed box but I need to look for some parts for my Toyota Celsior.

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by Iggy

Another batch of interesting eBay auctions I found;

- Exhumed (boxed)

I would have got that Exhumed box but I need to look for some parts for my Toyota Celsior.

Hmm interesting indeed. Is that the UK release of Exhumed or an Italian? The auction says the game is english but the box does not look the be UK standard (two parts that fold over each other).

[Iggy]

Could be that the software is in English while the packaging is translated to Italian.

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

Hmm interesting indeed. Is that the UK release of Exhumed or an Italian? The auction says the game is english but the box does not look the be UK standard (two parts that fold over each other).

It looks the same as the copy I have in which there is a cardboard slip-cover over an interlocking box.
Mine is also multi-lingual, but I can't remember what languages other than English there are. That game took me a long time Years to find... not as long as PowerSlave, but it is rare in the US. I eventually got mine from a European seller. This is not the best Build Engine game ever made, but it is still a good game over all.

Originally Posted by Iggy

Another batch of interesting eBay auctions I found;

- Silly looking Duke Nukem II Shareware copy
I would have got that Exhumed box but I need to look for some parts for my Toyota Celsior.

I want that Duke Nukem 2 Shareware with Neo LA on it! Cool!
You going to bid on that one iggy?

MrBlackCat

[Iggy]

- Heretic Shareware (boxed)

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I want that Duke Nukem 2 Shareware with Neo LA on it! Cool!
You going to bid on that one iggy?

You want me to bid on it on your behalf? I'm not planning to buy or bid on things I post here.

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by Iggy

- Heretic Shareware (boxed)

Wow that is so inexpensive! The Floppy version generally sells for more, but the cd version doesn't show up every day for that price...
I am almost temped to buy it for trade...
Hmmm... have to think about this one.

MrBlackCat

[Iggy]

For those who care I have a big boxed copy of Blood up for sale. It's an Australian re-release.

[Jeffpiatt]

here is a link to get some hard to find apogee hint manuals on amazon.com
Wolfenstein 3-D Hint Manual and Official Player's Manual (Unknown Binding)
http://www.amazon.com/Wolfenstein-Hi...7&sr=8-2-spell
hint manual with 3.5 gt floppys
http://www.amazon.com/WOFLENSTEIN-OF...7&sr=8-1-spell
Wolfenstein 3-d & Blake Stone Companion Cd (this is a shareware set)
by Lime Light
http://www.amazon.com/Wolfenstein-3-...f=pd_rhf_p_t_4
and the pain in the ass to find book.
The Official Hint Book of Spear of Destiny, a Wolfenstein 3-d Graphic Adventure (Paperback)
~ Kevin W Cloud (Author), Tom Hall (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/Official-Desti...4903292&sr=8-1

[KO Gilligan]

Noticed this ... 8 hours left

http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-PC-Game-Lot...item19b9921065

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by KO Gilligan

Noticed this ... 8 hours left

http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-PC-Game-Lot...item19b9921065

Saw it too several days ago. I won't be bidding but I guess that should fetch a good price considering those two Blood titles and the original Heretic are present. If all games came in their original big boxes it would have got a really huge price is my guess (again it would have been the Blood shareware mostly responsible for it which is the rarest of the lot as far as I can tell)..

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by Iggy

Saw it too several days ago. I won't be bidding but I guess that should fetch a good price considering those two Blood titles and the original Heretic are present. If all games came in their original big boxes it would have got a really huge price is my guess (again it would have been the Blood shareware mostly responsible for it which is the rarest of the lot as far as I can tell)..

I don't plan on bidding as I generally only collect boxed games, but for someone collecting non-boxed games, this is an amazing set of classics.
Very cool...

MrBlackCat

Auto search just showed me this copy of Planet Strike... This is very inexpensive in my opinion and experience.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=350313393785

[omega_supreme]

Hmm interesting, seems there are also people that collect PC games without the boxes. That is definitely a collectors price. I really didn't expect that.

MrBlackCat,

I have another Heretic question for you. I recently found out that it is not version 1.0, but 1.2 that is rare. Have you ever seen/had a 1.2 copy of the full version? Additionally I was told there might be an official patch disk, like the one for Doom 1.1 to 1.2. Do you know anything about that?

The Planet Strike auction looks interesting. The picture is unfortunately not very detailed and maybe even stock? The box pictured has some warping as well. I would at least ask for a better picture even though the price is right.

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

Hmm interesting, seems there are also people that collect PC games without the boxes. That is definitely a collectors price. I really didn't expect that.

MrBlackCat,

I have another Heretic question for you. I recently found out that it is not version 1.0, but 1.2 that is rare. Have you ever seen/had a 1.2 copy of the full version? Additionally I was told there might be an official patch disk, like the one for Doom 1.1 to 1.2. Do you know anything about that?

The Planet Strike auction looks interesting. The picture is unfortunately not very detailed and maybe even stock? The box pictured has some warping as well. I would at least ask for a better picture even though the price is right.

I think my floppy disks are 1.2, but I am not completely sure. The copy I have installed on this computer has been patched to 1.3, but I am not sure what from. The version numbers are not printed on the disk labels I have, I just checked. The patch files are still there in the directory, but the original zip was deleted at some point after installation, so I can't tell what patch I used... which would likely tell us. I usually name the patches like v10-v11 to indicate what versions a given patch was for... unless the original name was an indicator, which they sometimes are.
Maybe someone else who knows how to find out will post...
I will see what versions I have if I go to my other home this week. They are all kept neatly arranged there on a file server will all patches. Because I play multiplayer, I normally upgrade all computers, so I am sure I run 1.3 on all computers. I tried to read my original disks in a floppy drive, but they seem to have failed. I have them backed up on the before mentioned file server. Floppy disks are very poor medium compared to anything modern, that is for sure. I own 12 copies of the game of which 4 are pre-version 1.3. I know this because I bought 4 copies to network with. I bought my original game from id directly and them bought three more copies from some id Software CD that had a Windows based Credit Card order system for several id Software games which “unlocked” games in which full versions were on the CD. But then the awesome second version came out... Shadow of the Serpent Riders. I really liked the new Shadow of the Serpent Riders "Tome of Power" box (ver 1.3 I think they all are) and I have gotten about a dozen of them in three styles... of which six are new and 10's. I put them all on the shelf as though they are books. Packaging that is related directly to something within the game is just very rare and very cool to me. =)
Patch disk(s) I do not know anything about. I always downloaded mine from Software Creations back then.

I have bought a number of games from RudySoft over the years. He knows his games pretty well and he is a good guy. Those are real images of the item sold if he says they are. He would probably scan it for you if you indicate to him you are sincerely interested.
In case you didn’t know Planet Strike is actually pretty rare in good condition... There are several reasons for this. One reason being that it is Apogees first retail boxed game. Another reason is that it is on a modified Wolfenstein Engine and sought after by id Software collectors often for that reason. Another is that this game is a 3D game but still sold under the Apogee name before the move to 3D Realms. It is hard to get hold of boxed in most any condition. I don't recall ever having seen it new before. My original box was destroyed and I did not find another one for several years.

MrBlackCat

[omega_supreme]

If your disks are 1.2 that would be exceptional and very cool! To verify this you only need to be able to read disk 1. The installation will tell which version is going to be installed. Additionally you could use your invoice. Apparently 1.2 was release in summer 1995. If you invoice is from that time or later than you are likely to have the 1.2 floppy disks. Version 1.3 is Shadow of the Serpent Riders by the way.

I hear stories of failing floppy disks all the time. Unfortunately they do not have a very long life expectancy. Last weekend I got my 5 1/4" driver working and was able to install some really old stuff such as Spear of Destiny on real floppy disks I never had floppy disks die on me because of age but that must be luck.

A book shelf full of tome of powers must be awesome. You have to post a picture of that too some day

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

If your disks are 1.2 that would be exceptional and very cool! To verify this you only need to be able to read disk 1. The installation will tell which version is going to be installed. Additionally you could use your invoice. Apparently 1.2 was release in summer 1995. If you invoice is from that time or later than you are likely to have the 1.2 floppy disks. Version 1.3 is Shadow of the Serpent Riders by the way.

I hear stories of failing floppy disks all the time. Unfortunately they do not have a very long life expectancy. Last weekend I got my 5 1/4" driver working and was able to install some really old stuff such as Spear of Destiny on real floppy disks I never had floppy disks die on me because of age but that must be luck.

A book shelf full of tome of powers must be awesome. You have to post a picture of that too some day

My Heretic was bought 1-2-1996. I was pretty slow on the trigger for that game I suppose. Unfortunately, disk one would not read. I might can recover it with software and a new drive though. In my experience notebook floppy drives are marginal at best. I have a couple of good quality new 3.5 drives on the shelf I will stick in a computer in the future. I am in the process of building my new computer room so things will be in disarray for a year or so. Much to do.

My Tome of Power boxes are no longer on a shelf, but I have them here at the house with me, so I grabbed all I could find from the storage boxes and took a quick photograph. Here is most of my PC Heretic/HeXen collection. (excluding Heretic and HeXen 2 or II) My Heretic came with a poster also, by the way. I don’t have it with me to photograph at this time. I have a HeXen poster at the other house also. I have HeXen for N64 and Sega Saturn and a few other odss and ends, but that is most of my things. I have made some props from the games also. (Magic staff with Crystals and magical crossbow with glow in the dark “arrows”.)

I realize these are not Apogee games of course but they are DOS... which is of course part of the topic.

Mr.BlackCat

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

My Heretic was bought 1-2-1996. I was pretty slow on the trigger for that game I suppose.

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My Heretic came with a poster also, by the way. I don’t have it with me to photograph at this time.

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I realize these are not Apogee games of course but they are DOS... which is of course part of the topic.

Mr.BlackCat

Then you would most likely have version 1.2. So you basically have the collectors grail when it comes to Heretic. Version 1.2 in good condition and even with the mail order invoice. I really envy you!

Heretic always came with the poster since the poster is actually the back of the manual. It is clever to do that but also a shame that they did not just include a loose poster. I would have preferred a separate poster.

Well, I like that we can discuss other DOS games here. This is actually the only forum I can find with some people that share this interest. These DOS games would technically be off-topic but I would really appreciate it if we could keep using this topic for these subjects. I hope is does not disturb anyone.

The picture you uploaded is amazing. Even two copies of Towers of Darkness. I still need that one as well. I held that box in my hands as a kid and really wanted to buy it. But at that age my only income was birthday money so I could never buy it. Such a shame. I think it's a very nice package.

Since it seems you can make pictures of your stuff again, could you please photograph the Heretic mail order invoice for me? I have never seen it and is way up in my wanted items list. I'd love to see what it looks like.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

The picture you uploaded is amazing. Even two copies of Towers of Darkness. I still need that one as well. I held that box in my hands as a kid and really wanted to buy it. But at that age my only income was birthday money so I could never buy it. Such a shame. I think it's a very nice package.

Towers of Darkness, the very reason why I joined eBay in 2003. Bought a boxed copy from Italy for about 30 euro. It's a perfect one and in the meanwhile I bought a sealed copy as well.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

Here is most of my PC Heretic/HeXen collection. (excluding Heretic and HeXen 2 or II)

I have about the same items, except for the Magic and Mayhem box. I still would like one like that as well as a sealed Tome of Power box.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

My Heretic came with a poster also, by the way. I don’t have it with me to photograph at this time.

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I have a HeXen poster at the other house also.

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by Iggy

I have about the same items, except for the Magic and Mayhem box. I still would like one like that as well as a sealed Tome of Power box.

You can get them from Amazon. The only problem is that Amazon itself does not support international shipping. It litteraly disables payment if your account is not from the US. You will have to ask the seller to sell it directly to you. I have been successful in some cases.

Heretic SotSR at Amazon (the $45 one)

Thats the posters alright. Very nice items. Have you been able to find out what version of Heretic you have?

[MrBlackCat]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

The picture you uploaded is amazing. Even two copies of Towers of Darkness. I still need that one as well. I held that box in my hands as a kid and really wanted to buy it. But at that age my only income was birthday money so I could never buy it. Such a shame. I think it's a very nice package.

Since it seems you can make pictures of your stuff again, could you please photograph the Heretic mail order invoice for me? I have never seen it and is way up in my wanted items list. I'd love to see what it looks like.

I could photograph the invoice, but it is so faded I don’t think you could read it. I will try to scan it and enhance the faded print when I get a scanner hooked up.

Towers of Darkness is a very unique box. One of my top five favorite game boxes.
I bought those in recent years. I never saw one in a store that I can remember. One is new/sealed and one is opened.

Originally Posted by Iggy

Towers of Darkness, the very reason why I joined eBay in 2003. Bought a boxed copy from Italy for about 30 euro. It's a perfect one and in the meanwhile I bought a sealed copy as well.


I have about the same items, except for the Magic and Mayhem box. I still would like one like that as well as a sealed Tome of Power box.

Those are the posters I have also. Thank you for posting them.

Towers of Darkness is good reason to join eBay! Awesome box.

I wish I had known you wanted a sealed Tome of Power box... those six Tome of Power boxes in the back are sealed, and are 9.5 to 10's... they are Euro releases. I have three American release and all three are different. The Euro boxes are slightly smaller and slightly lighter. The American boxes I have are very similar but slightly different sizes. Two of them open hinged and one is a tub and cover type box. Dusty told me there are at least five different box types... which he has... of course.

Magic and Mayhem is such a cool box to me. I sold several of those at crazy prices after they just got rare seemingly all at once. The bare cd’s used to be common for six or eight dollars, but boxed they went for $45 to $100. I don’t think I have any left. They were great for trade leverage when someone had something I wanted a lot.

MrBlackCat

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I could photograph the invoice, but it is so faded I don’t think you could read it. I will try to scan it and enhance the faded print when I get a scanner hooked up.

Oh yeah! that would be even better. I'm looking forward to it.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

Oh yeah! that would be even better. I'm looking forward to it.

What's so great about an invoice? I'm not too fond of bills myself.

I once bought a paper bag on eBay with the Duke3D cover art on it (photo), inside the bag was a small check-out receipt of someone who bought the game somewhere right after it's release.

Edit;
Date on the receipt is 17 May, 1996 13:11. Price at that time was 69,99 German Mark.

[omega_supreme]

Originally Posted by Iggy

What's so great about an invoice? I'm not too fond of bills myself.

I'm crazy about mail oder stuff. Wheter it be from Apogee or ID Software. Complete mail order stuff is pretty hard to find, including the invoice is near impossible. That makes them highly desireble (at least for me). Additionally they show some information about the time of purchase which I think is a nice piece of history. It must be a real invoice though, a normal reteil receipt is not so special to me either. The old ID/Apogee invoice was the coolest, with the "Thank you" at the bottom. I never saw one from Heretic so I am really curious what it looks like.

I hope I will have a mail order with invoice from the early Wolfenstein realeases (< 1.4) some day as well. Imagine a Wolf 3D v1.0 registered complete in the original envelop and with an invoice. That would be so bad-ass. Or maybe even a Wolf3D registered on 5.25" disks. I really wonder if such stuff still exists.

I also bought the Heretic shareware from izeewamot (the $50 one). I asked him to lower the price and he did ($35). It arrived this weekend but unfortunately it is far from the perfect state I expected. The other side of the box (not pictured) is faded by the sun and a small crush is present in the right top of the box. Each time I buy from a trader I get boxes that are slightly dissapointing. I still like the Heretic I got. The condition is still good and the seal in very nice. But I won't be buying from traders for a while.

Oh and Iggy, I would still like to know what version of Heretic you have,..please let me know. The file names on the disk can also be used to find out. HERETIC1_0R (something like that) is 1.0 and HERETIC1_2R is 1.2. But of course starting the setup in dosbox would be even better. The setup will tell what version will be installed.

Nice Duke items by the way.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by omega_supreme

Oh and Iggy, I would still like to know what version of Heretic you have,..please let me know. The file names on the disk can also be used to find out. HERETIC1_0R (something like that) is 1.0 and HERETIC1_2R is 1.2. But of course starting the setup in dosbox would be even better. The setup will tell what version will be installed.

Version 1.0 for all 2 sharewares and full version.