Wolfenstein: The New Order

[Echo Black]

Originally Posted by Nihilanth

Played for ~3h. Wow. I didn't expect to be blown away but this is far worse than I thought. I'm making a list, writing down notes as I go. I'll post it in due time.

It's been the opposite for me, I'm enjoying it far more than I thought I would. I'm nearly done with the campaign right now. While I still stand by most of my complaints, the stream footage made the game seem way slower and floatier than it really is, due to console controls. It actually feels considerably tight on PC.

Also, a question regarding the DOOM Beta. I went to the site, tried to redeem my code. It said I'll get an email within 5min to complete the process. It's been, I don't know, 5h since then? I got no email. And yes, I'm sure I typed the correct address.

I hope id doesn't go bankrupt and this whole Doom 4 preorder thing doesn't turn into a smoke and mirrors cashgrab

[ZuljinRaynor]

Nihilanth, please upgrade your ancient system.

[Damien_Azreal]

The game is beyond awesome.
I haven't had this much fun with a shooter since... possible Shadow Warrior or Wolfenstein 2009.

But, as it stands, only Flying Wild Hog or MachineGames should be allowed to make new games on older IPs.

[Bam050196]

Aw man, this game looks like so much fun. But I can't afford a decent PC to play it on.

[ZuljinRaynor]

This game is so awesome.

Wolf always best at FPS. Doesn't innovate since the original, but does everything so solid. Always good shooting.

[john_doe2]

Ok. Now the important stuff. Do you get to fight MechaHitler?

[Echo Black]

Originally Posted by john_doe2

Ok. Now the important stuff. Do you get to fight MechaHitler?

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No.

[Damien_Azreal]

Originally Posted by john_doe2

Ok. Now the important stuff. Do you get to fight MechaHitler?

Having not finished it, or being anywhere close... I certainly hope not.

With Deathshead being the main focus here, I would hate for them to try and cram Hitler in as the final boss.
Hell, we still have no idea what's happened to Himmler, who was a main part of RtCW.

[Romulus_ut3]

If you are having issues with performance, it's not the game nor your hardware's fault. It's the damn drivers. Identical pcs with the same hardware have similar issues, one rig is able to max it out at 1080p flawlessly whereas the other identical pc suffers from poor performance. Reason? One of the identical pc is equipped with older drivers, which suprisingly performs better. And it seems id tech 5's biggest flaw, the texture popping is still there,

[Stevey Boy]

Originally Posted by Romulus_ut3

If you are having issues with performance, it's not the game nor your hardware's fault. It's the damn drivers. Identical pcs with the same hardware have similar issues, one rig is able to max it out at 1080p flawlessly whereas the other identical pc suffers from poor performance. Reason? One of the identical pc is equipped with older drivers, which suprisingly performs better. And it seems id tech 5's biggest flaw, the texture popping is still there,

Ive got the latest WHQL Nvidia Drivers and it runs maxed out at a solid 60FPS with no texture pop in at all, so I don't think peoples problems are driver related

[Damien_Azreal]

Yes, some AMD hardware is having issues and it's been pointed towards a driver issue.
But, that's not surprising... and was honestly expected by a lot. The game uses an OpenGL based engine. And the one thing AMD hardware sucks at... is OpenGL.

But, on Nvidia, performance is pretty solid across the board.
Most people with Nvidia cards that are having issues are not enabling VT Compress. So, the game is running uncompressed textures and is filling up their limited VRAM and the game is running out of memory.
It's rather funny as they complain about it, then someone suggests it... they rant on "I'll try it, but it won't help. Game is so horribly setup..."... they come back a few minutes later all sullen, "That worked. Game runs great."

[ZuljinRaynor]

I want Hitler in a sequel.

[Echo Black]

Several issues are software related, Damien. Vsync is always on, even if you disable it in-game. AA is pretty shit as it is (may not be a bug), you need to force it on your GPU's control panel. Also the stutters and FPS drops happen even on PCs which far exceed the recommended specs.

The one option that seems to tax your system is shadow map resolution. I have it on 2k instead of 4k and it's a HUGE difference

[ZuljinRaynor]

Please add 144Hz support.

[Damien_Azreal]

While there are software issues and driver conflicts on both sides, AMD users are having more issues then Nvidia. Which is to be expected with an OpenGL based engine.

V-sync is not always on. The issue most are complaining about is the in game option doesn't work... and people are still getting tearing. Forcing them to force it on through their respective graphics card control panel.

Yes, the in game AA is bad. Which does suck since RAGE featured a very solid AA option with almost no performance hit.
But, while you can force it through your control panel, some are encountering graphical glitches by doing so. I would like to see an AA option added, even if it's basic FXAA and low level MSAA options... it would be nice.
Shadow Map Resolution causes no performance hit for me. I had it at 8K, 4K, 2K and back to 4K. Not seeing any performance or visual difference between any setting. I just settle don the middle ground "in case".
VT Compress is the one setting people are getting the best results from. With is turned off the game will easily use 3GB or VRAM. So, it's easy to fill up the video memory for a lot of people, causing stuttering and very low frame rates.
Turning it on causes no lose in texture quality, just a little bit of typical shading compression, and knocks VRAM usage down to about 1.5GB.

I've also seen people complaining about "frame rate" drops during the cutscenes. I asked and they would respond, "You know, the ones with the black bars... don't know why but I get big big frame rate drops during those."...
I would love to see the look on people's faces when I posted "Those cutscenes are pre-renderd and run at 30FPS while the gameplay runs at 60FPS. It's not frame rate drops."

For me, I maxed out every setting, enabled VT Compress... and the game runs silky smooth. Like RAGE did.
I've messed with various settings, and not seeing any difference performance or visually, I've settled on a happy selection.
The majority of issues are driver related, and will be fixed as both companies release updated driver sets with profiles for Wolf.


Also, either I "missed it" or something, but I'm not seeing where the game just "falls apart". As the game is just as polished and fun in the later sections as it is in the opening. I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
So far, fantastic story plus fantastic gameplay. This is an awesome shooter.

[Echo Black]

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

Also, either I "missed it" or something, but I'm not seeing where the game just "falls apart". As the game is just as polished and fun in the later sections as it is in the opening. I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
So far, fantastic story plus fantastic gameplay. This is an awesome shooter.

The game blatantly rushes to conclusion after the Spoiler:

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concentration camp.

Amongst other ass-pulls, Anya intercepts important codes from Berlin seconds after she's told to keep an eye out for them. I got the distinct feeling they had to drop planned content and just cram all the plot development they wanted to do into the last handful of missions.

I felt the actual level quality went to shit after you Spoiler:

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retrieve the artifact to stop the train

. Everything from there onward felt rushed and of lesser quality. The Spoiler:

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moon mission

in particular was underwhelming as hell to me. The game felt like it ran out of tricks hours ago by then. And Deathshead himself was...Disappointing I guess? I feel he deserved a better fight, not the uninspired crap we got (Most interestingly, they reuse Spoiler:

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the solo Robot model you face as a boss at the helicopter theft mission. They just edited the model a bit

). He was the long-running villain in Wolf, over a decade old. His death was just lame.

In many ways this is the anti-DNF. DNF starts horribly (it's seriously 1h+ until the game picks up momentum and you start getting into some interesting combat situations) with all the Duke Cave, RC car and walking simulator bullshit. Wolf TNO starts excellently (the very first mission, the offensive at the Deathshead Compound in the 40s, has BY FAR the most amount of kills of all missions in the game) and starts slowing down and down. About 3/4 in I really wanted to be done with it already.

[Damien_Azreal]

To each his own I suppose.
As I love all of the game. It doesn't feel to me as if any of it is lesser quality then the rest. The pacing feels solid, with each location well crafted and designed.

And, Deathshead... while in all three games... he's not in all of all three games.
In Return he's only in the middle few missions. After the X-Labs he retreats and tells Himmler about BJ.
In Wolfenstein, he only shows up after the halfway mark, after you take out Zetta.

He's been a constant through the series, but never center stage for the entire trilogy. And it's worked best that way.

[MAT]

And for those of us who live in Germany, it is just another game they censored the shit out of. I can't even order it from England since they geo-locked it.

[Romulus_ut3]

Here is a benchmark of the game, running at the highest details, at 1200p, courtesy of gamegpu.ru



AMD used to suck in OpenGL long time ago, with issues with couple of extension calls and poor driver to hardware communications, but ever since the launch of their HD 4XXX line up of cards, AMD have stayed unbeatable in OpenGL based games, or any game that takes advantage of GPGPU capabilities. Of course, to achieve such results you must know how to tweak, for example disabling Catalyst AI which is no longer an accessible option from the Catalyst Control Center.

[Rapture_Rising]

Originally Posted by MAT

And for those of us who live in Germany, it is just another game they censored the shit out of. I can't even order it from England since they geo-locked it.

Really, i the violence censored? because i heard it wasn't. Obviously all Nazi references were removed but i heard that they replaced the swastika with the Wolfenstein logo and the Third Reich was called "The Regime".

[Nihilanth]

[1/2]

Well, here we go. Prepare your pitchforks and torches.

So here's how I'm gonna do this. First, here are most of the notes I've taken while playing the game. Those are my initial impressions. After that, you can read my general opinion.

A couple of things:

* This is NOT an attempt to criticize the game as much as possible. The number of those points comes from the fact that I was writing down everything that was on my mind while playing. So don't take it as "Nihilanth wrote a mile long post to vent his frustration".
* Some of this stuff is intentionally exaggerated. Some of it is nitpicking. Take it however you want.
* Yes, it IS valid to discuss logic, because fiction needs a grounding in realism, even in scenarios that are not completely realistic. There are things that make it more badass and then there's complete nonsense.
* Spoilers.


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► FoV Slider - good!
► What the hell are all those options? I don't understand them. And I should be able to.
► Depth of Field - High, Medium... what happened to Low? Why couldn't it be High and Low? High and Medium make no sense.

► Do I need an 'animation' (of sorts) for cutting a chain? Can't you just swing a knife? Especially that the animation is nothing but swinging a knife? By the way, later you cannot cut or shoot chains because lasers. Also note that there are no animations when you break the incinerators.
► Facial animation is way behind a certain 8 year old game.
► Transitions between gameplay-cutscenes, gameplay-player animations sometime feel really jarring and disconnected. The speed / angle of player view jumps around. Sometimes you see your body during a 1sec animation and then it disappears.
► Swimming!
► Surface <-> underwater transitions seem pretty bad for some reason.

► The game teaches you how to lean by forcing you to shoot an enemy through a hole in a locked door. Then the door magically opens after an enemy falls down. Best lean introduction ever.
► Secrets.
► There's a map. And you can collect a map to an area.
► Things magically trigger the moment you kill the last enemy.
► Pretty decent sound propagation. Very good. You don't see (hear) that very often.
► Picking up broken robot pieces to use it as an armor is hilarious.
► Ok, so saving Wyatt lets us lockpick things. But exactly why can't you do this otherwise? Do you need Wyatt to teach you lockpicking through telepathy? (because sure as hell he's not doing this in an actual scene) How about shooting a lock?
► The prologue is way too long considering the title of the game appears after it. You show the title at the very beginning. Or shortly after. Showing it 30min in is stupid.

► BJ's movement and fighting skills are completely fine 5min after getting out of the 14 year old coma. You could have at least kept the cool post-coma effects until the end of the level.
► A tumbled table can be blown to bits but won't move an inch. A decade ago that was not a problem.
► A table that is not tumbled cannot be damaged.
► Since when is a Polish family praying in English? Because BJ is here? Well, he knows Polish a bit. Besides, they don't give a damn in other instances.

► Nazis have super technology on their side but can communicate only in the area between checkpoints. They don't seem to care or be aware of their allies getting slaughtered just beyond a gate. Screams? Gunfire? Pfff, whatever, we'll pretend we know nothing.
► "Shoot the Nazis! SHOOT THE NAZIS!!" Yeah, scream louder you idiot, I'm sure we want them to know we're coming. Oh wait, they can't see an obvious car in an unauthorized area anyway. Everything is fine.

► You know what would be really stupid? If they'd put a sex scene in that bit. But I'm sure they're not do i... ooof course they did.
► Ok, what's up with those huge jumps between sections? We were heading for a train but we never even got to see any train station. How did BJ and Anya officially got onto a Nazi train? No one noticed? Aren't Nazis looking for them? Oh and they were in a train and a second later they're already in an apartment in Berlin? Is travelling undercover so trivial that you don't even have to show it to the player or, crazy idea, let him PLAY through it? The whole interesting potentially big section of getting onto an enemy train, avoiding attention while traveling and sneaking into a hotel is compressed down to nothing. I smell cuts.

► Laser cutter is a fun.
► After I stabbed 3 enemies and alarmed a dog, the 4th guard just kept standing in place like a statue. Being useless. I guess he was paralyzed by my awesomeness, har har.
► Sometimes you see your body, sometimes not. Be consistent, damn it!
► Wolf breaks new grounds for horrible melee AI movement, reactions and pathfinding. Those are some of the worst AIs I've seen.
► In 2014 games are still incapable of rendering mirrors.
► Checkpoints only, no manual saves, one save slot.

► BJ can jump over objects but only when the game wants him to. In other cases a medium sized box is the impenetrable obstacle.
► Chapter 7 finally has some good looking areas. Really freaking good. Why can't the game look that good everywhere? Especially that those areas are not particulary heavy on fancy effects and graphical gimmicks?

► How did BJ and Milo manage to switch their clothes without anyone noticing? I mean the guards were right there!
► How the hell did BJ got out of a working furnace without taking any damage? Yeah I know, he's BJ ******* Blazkowicz.
► Why did the big robot not crush Frau Engel completely? How about shooting her? So that you could squeeze a gruesome close-up of her mutilated face and have her make a dramatic comeback later on?
► I know it's for the dramatic effect but there's no way Frau Engel could have appeared at the end of the chapter after having her jaw broken and being thrown down from the cliff. By herself. I mean, there's no one else with her so she had climb back up, grab two assault rifles, catch up and sneak up on everyone by herself. And frankly, to me that scene looked stupid even despite the fact it made no sense.

► So the source of the super technology is a secret society that invents unbelievably advanced contraptions to get closer to God? That's pretty cool. I expected another time travel scenario.

► More underwater sections.
► How did Anya know I was near a narrow tunnel? She only has a radio comm, no video feed and that tunnel was probably not on her map.

► A submarine level should be good. It's not. It doesn't even look like a sub. At least it's a really good looking level.
► BJ opened a torpedo head 10m from the guards but even though he made a significant noise in a completely quiet area, nobody noticed.
► Even more underwater. Too bad it's just an intermission.
► Awesome tech is awesome. (underwater vault)

► Animations in this game are not convincing and a lot of physical objects don't really feel like they have a necessary mass.
► Perks. Shoot 15 enemies from a cover to increase a clip size. Logic. You could have had an increased clip as an upgrade. Like, you know, one of the upgrades that you ALREADY HAVE IN THE GAME.
► Ladders in games still suck.
► I know it's like that in every game but I can no longer be convinced by super convenient rubble for the hero to walk through. What made you think BJ would be able to get through this mess at all?
► Is there any reason why BJ cannot be dropped closer to the train with a scientist? He's BJ ******* Blazkowicz, remember?
► Music near the end of the bridge level is super awesome.
► So... the plan was to stop the train, steal the personality of a chief scientist and go to the moon. You're telling me that nobody reported that a huge train was destroyed along with a huge bridge and nobody ever asked what happened to someone as important as a chief scientist? And nobody knows how he looks like so BJ can just put on his uniform? And nobody ran any checks on an important scientific figure before LETTING HIM INTO A SHUTTLE TO THE MOON?

► When BJ enters the shuttle there's a lot of people there but when he gets up, it's empty. Apparently nobody bothered to tell him they're leaving. You could just have someone waking him up... or something.
► Lunar base looks amazing even on low details. Again, why can't every location in the game look as good as this? Obviously tech is capable enough and it doesn't require extremely taxing gimmicks to achieve that effect so... what the hell?
► Why do you place a checkpoint BEFORE a scanning process? To piss off the player?

[Nihilanth]

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► What kind of helicopter bounces like that when hit? A small drone, fine, but a machine of that size? (refering to CH14 helicopter fight)
► Chapter 14 - another great looking level.

► Music is so cool when it kicks in. Far too little of it.
► Physics are off, nothing ever feels natural. They didn't even bother to nail it in cutscenes.
► Nazi Robots don't care when their human allies die in front of them (stealth).
► A long vent shaft. I wonder when someone's gonna shoot it or when it's gonna colla... oh, there we go!

► Wolfenstein got itself its own Matrix fight in a pillar room. And considering the destructibility, it's pretty awesome.

With that out of the way, let me talk about the game more generally.

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GRAPHICS
TNO suffers from the same problem as RAGE - it either looks really freaking good, or extremely underwhelming. Personally I'm more disappointed with Wolf because 3 years later it should be significantly better. The thing is that some locations look absolutely fantastic, even on low settings. Some of the tunnels under the rebel HQ, lunar base or the sub. The destroyed building in Chapter 14. There's really nothing to complain about there, it looks great. On the other hand some other locations are really disappointing. Some of it might be because I'm playing on Low... then again I didn't think pre-release footage was better. It boggles my mind. Obviously Tech 5 can look really, really good so... why isn't it looking even across the board? It SHOULD be possible. Here's hoping that DOOM will not screw that up.

GUNPLAY
Shooting in TNO is a mixed bag for me. I think RAGE is superior here with it's more visceral and consistent gunplay, higher weapon / gadgets variety and potentially better AI. That's not to say that Wolf's action is bad. It's actually pretty satisfying. The player's speed feels appropriate, weapons are for the most part fun to use (my favourite is the standard assault rifle). The destructible cover works well both from the survival standpoint and the overall combat feel. Environments are fairly open, enough to emphasize movement during fighting.

On the other hand, enemy / weapon variety is not very high. Weapons eventually get a couple of upgrades but it still feels like I'm using 3 guns all the time. Dual wielding is weird, I haven't found much use for it. It seems like tougher enemies can take a lot of punishment from dual rifles or shotguns anyway, and for weaker ones, it's more efficient to just shoot them with a single gun and not waste ammo. Melee human AI is absolutely atrocious. It's not very common but it's still unacceptable in a AAA game like this.

Leaning is kind of confusing. It took me a while to notice I can auto-lean by pressing zoom. The idea of pressing Alt + direction key to lean manually is an unnecessary complication. I think maybe it should have been 100% automatic with a couple of adjustments.

I don't find the combat very oldschool. Shadow Warrior has oldschool combat. RAGE has oldschool combat in my book. Wolf... not so much. Don't get me wrong, it's action packed and vicious but it has it's problems. Player animations detract the flow of the combat for me. I hate using turrets because it takes forever to mount them. I find the head bobbing and constant view shifts really distracting. I think that I prefer FPP games with a more static view, like RAGE or Dishonored.

CHARACTERS
I honestly felt nothing for the characters. It's not that I hated them. They simply meant nothing to me. Like the famous Wyatt or Fergus choice. I mean, I don't know those guys! Maybe BJ does but I don't. I don't care which one of them dies. Just because it's gruesome it doesn't mean I'll feel connected to those people. I don't feel like any of the characters were really fleshed out. You'd think Anya would have some interesting backstory but no. She's just a girl that occasionally screws with BJ. Instead we have a huge backstory for some other girl we haven't even met. I don't care! I want that kind of stuff for characters that are right next to me!

This problem is also true for antagonists. We see Deathshead in the first level and then... in the last. He has no screen time whatsoever, no interactions during the events of the game. Frau Engel and Bubi? I thought there'd be more to them but they appear like twice in the entire game. Again, there's no backstory or interactions with them at all. The train scene is where all the creative budget went. Pre-release I thought that would be a tip of an iceberg but it turned out to be an isolated instance.

TONE
So, the popular subject of the tone. I have to say I'm not offended by anything in particular, except maybe for the sexual content that feels so out of place. But I feel like the game goes too far in both serious and campy directions. At one hand BJ has those inner thoughts, everything so dark and harsh. There are bits of desperation and terror in the backstory. On the other they fail to keep that tone throughout the game. I'm not talking about gameplay here. Rather things like cutscenes and the story that sometimes is just stupid. I honestly think I'd rather have the whole story twice as dark and keep the campiness to the shooting. As it is it kind of jumps between the two with little consistency.

STORYTELLING
I'll just say that I'm not a fan of cutscene storytelling which I consider outdated. This pulls me out of the experience. The 'cinematic' approach doesn't work for me at all so it's no surprise that I think the entire storytelling in TNO is really poor. It probably works for people who can view cinematics as an extension of the game but I'm not one of them.

PACING
One of my biggest gripes with this game. I have similiar feelings like with HL2 or DNF, that it somehow lacks consistency with its pacing. Some of it, I can explain, other stuff, I'm not so sure. I mentioned the gaps between missions. Sometimes seemingly crucial sections are completely missing. Sometimes sections that you thought would be interactive are compressed down to a cutscene. Sometimes things happen a lot faster than they should. Many times I've felt the game was like "a shit ton of stuff happened, but what's it to you?". Getting onto a train, getting to the hotel, getting to the camp... These are no insignificant things, you know. I'm really surprised they decided to just skip huge chunks of the process like that. Maybe that's just me but as a result I felt like I was doing random things here and random things there. It doesn't feel like a consistent journey to me.

I also think there's too many stealth-oriented and laser-oriented bits in the game. Even the final fight is pretty much a laser battle because it's the only weapon to which you have unlimited ammo. I really feel like there should have been more run&gun instead of pseudo stealth, especially that those missions are still pretty much action oriented except you have no weapons. Not only the game features a very limited arsenal but it also draws attention away from it. Because of the Nazi captains that raise the alarm, the game kind of lures you into a stealth path everytime. You can go in guns blazing but that doesn't seem like an intended way considering the game specifically lets the player know that commanders are in the area. The gameplay is definitively at its best when the intense action kicks in.

Another thing that was kind of annoying was the item hunting. I'm ok with peaceful sections. I'm not so ok that they were all about bring x to y. Especially that it seems everyone's just waiting for the one and only BJ Blazkowicz to do their work for them. Oh we've lost important plans. In our own HQ. Guess we'll wait for the great BJ that we have no idea is coming to look for them! That's nitpicking but you know what I mean. Not to mention those sections logically should allow some character interactions to give them some backstory. But that opportunity was also squandered.

LOGIC
There's way more 'logic' in TNO than what I've mentioned above. Some checkpoints and areas seem completely unguarded. Cameras that are literally everywhere apparently serve only as a decoration (except for ONE cutscene). The game makes a big deal out of rescuing resistance fighters but nobody cares that ALL OF THEM DIE except for Wyatt/Fergus and we still call it a success. Honestly, I haven't seen this amount of nonsense in a long while.

Then there are other types of inconsistencies. We can break wooden boxes and laser cut through metal ones but cardboard boxes can sustain a nuclear blast. Laser will only cut through one specific type of a fence. Destructibility actually makes things worse in some ways because it strengthens the disappointment of so many things remaining static.

THE ONLY ONE?
Yup, I know. Even before posting this I know that my opinions are in most cases a polar opposite of everyone elses. Not just on this forum. I've read and heard a lot of impressions and I've seen specific examples of that. People say "this and this and this is awesome" and I'm like "what? no it's not!". The tone, storytelling, etc. Maybe I just have a horrible taste.

CONCLUSION
There's a number of things I really like, especially when the game focuses on action. There are good ideas story-wise and tone-wise. Then I see that this gameworld makes no sense, it tries too many things and lacks consistency. At this moment I wouldn't say it's a bad game. But to me it's ok at best. There's just too many things that bother me there.

Finally, is this what I want from DOOM? Do I want Machinegames to make DOOM? Hell no. HELL NO.

[Echo Black]

And I thought I was overly critical.

Originally Posted by Nihilanth

I mentioned the gaps between missions. Sometimes seemingly crucial sections are completely missing. (...)

(...) Sometimes things happen a lot faster than they should. Many times I've felt the game was like "a shit ton of stuff happened, but what's it to you?". Getting onto a train, getting to the hotel, getting to the camp... These are no insignificant things, you know. I'm really surprised they decided to just skip huge chunks of the process like that.

I absolutely agree, the plot just falls apart. They just rush and funnel things into a conclusion, like they had to skip content. For a game that focuses on plot so much, it's weird to say the least. And I'm pretty sure the item hunt/walking simulator parts will be a massive bore when I feel like replaying the game.

Finally, is this what I want from DOOM? Do I want Machinegames to make DOOM? Hell no. HELL NO.

Neither do I - I want Doom to be an id game. I want id to have another shot at making a great shooter. But I will say this: I liked Wolf: TNO considerably more than RAGE. Things were really opposite for me, RAGE I expected would be awesome (new id software 7+ years in the making and all that) and ended up finding it mediocre, and Wolf: TNO I thought would be crap but found it surprisingly above average.

[john_doe2]

Originally Posted by Nihilanth

[2/2]Finally, is this what I want from DOOM? Do I want Machinegames to make DOOM? Hell no. HELL NO.

I hope Doom is way more visceral and dark than TNO is. I also hope the weapons in Doom are way beefier sounding, especially the shotgun. The shotgun in the new Doom needs to go BOOM!

[Damien_Azreal]

I would love to see MachineGames take on the Quake universe (the Strogg story arc)... and given that the id today isn't the id I loved, yes. I would love to see Machine take on Doom.


As it is, I personally think only MachineGames or Flying Wild Hog should be allowed to touch older shooter IPs.

[Romulus_ut3]

I do wonder if we would be seeing single player DLC for W:TNO. Seeing the amount of stuff that got cut, and as most reviews have stated, the game just keeps on losing weight as it progresses, are they going to try and rectify the issues while try and milk some more out of us gamers?

[MAT]

Originally Posted by Rapture_Rising

Really, i the violence censored? because i heard it wasn't. Obviously all Nazi references were removed but i heard that they replaced the swastika with the Wolfenstein logo and the Third Reich was called "The Regime".

You are right, the violence is not censored, but lots of dialogue are. I've watched a comparison video between the two versions and concluded that it is not worth it.

[Stevey Boy]

Originally Posted by Echo Black

Several issues are software related, Damien. Vsync is always on, even if you disable it in-game. AA is pretty shit as it is (may not be a bug), you need to force it on your GPU's control panel. Also the stutters and FPS drops happen even on PCs which far exceed the recommended specs.

The one option that seems to tax your system is shadow map resolution. I have it on 2k instead of 4k and it's a HUGE difference

Vsync was off for me until I forced it through Nvidia Control Panel, I ran it with 8K shadows with no problems, solid 60, no stuttering at all

[ScrewingUpMyRide]

The saddest part of this game is that now I know for sure that Riddick was a one off. The pacing in the New Order is so, so, so, so, so, so, so freaking bad. It plays like a fan-edited movie.

[8IronBob]

I was rather tempted to buy this game yesterday myself from Wally World (yeah, I know), but now that I hear the stories from here, it's probably best to see if there'll eventually be a STEAM sale on this game down the pike. That might be the better approach for now, but who knows?

[Damien_Azreal]

Personally, I love this game.
It's a great entry in the Wolf series, a great and solid shooter with fun gameplay, great level design and wonderful characters.
It's easily one of the most fun shooters I've played in a long time, easily the best one since 2013's Shadow Warrior.

I've finished it three times. Completed both time lines, and then finished it on the hardest difficulty "Uber" while getting 50/50 achievements.
It's very, very rare that I bother playing a game on it's hardest difficulty.

[8IronBob]

Mmm... I see... I'll have a look at Youtube later on to see what's what with it. I'm hoping that it's an improvement over the Wolf game that Raven did a few years back.

[dan2091]

I haven't played the game, really. So I can't comment on anything right now. I'm not a cheap bastard, just a little dry on money right now, so I'll wait till its price drops.

Actually, just spent some money buying back Return To Castle Wolfenstein, after having sold it 2 years ago and having bought the Xbox version last year (Cooperative Multiplayer and the shotgun ).

Looking forward The Art of Wolfenstein book, too.

[FullMetalJacket]

From what I can actually play, this is a fun, well-design, thoughtful and enjoyable shooter. I really like the concept of the alternate-history 1960.

Sadly, the game is barely playable for me. Most likely because I don't meet the minimum system requirements (I'm still clunking along with an Asus laptop from 2010, with a 1GB AMD Radeon 5870), although the internet is full of people with AMD cards complaining of glitches and slowdowns.

[Damien_Azreal]

Yeah, AMD's less then great OpenGL support is causing lots of issues for AMD users.

[Kristian Joensen]

So I am done. I died 135 times. 978 total kills. 166 headshot kills. 11 stealth kills. 246 dual-wield kills. 1822 items taken. 73110 shots fired and a whole bunch of other stats. Awesome game that is for sure. So that makes 4 FPS games completed from beginning to end without cheating. YAY!

[8IronBob]

Well... Just got my copy in the mail this afternoon, and should hopefully install it before the weekend. I'm hoping it'll redeem itself over Raven's version of the game about 5 years ago.

Although seeing the minimum specs on the game, I think I might be able to squeak in playing it without too much difficulty. The specs in my sig are still accurate, haven't really changed too much yet.

[Damien_Azreal]

The requirements on the box are horribly unspecific... and just wrong.
People are playing the game on systems much under those requirements and doing so with no problems.

Also, Raven's Wolfenstein is awesome.