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Old 04-26-2005, 06:45 PM   #81
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:46 PM   #82
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How could it be anything else considering that you don't have the trademark to anything else ?
They could trademark a new name later down the track you know.
 
Old 04-27-2005, 04:52 AM   #83
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Game's make character names, not the other way around, and so we know that even if we have a name now that few people like, if the game comes out and is a hit, then the halo effect will transfer to the name, too, just as it did with Max and Duke.

If that's true, then why is it necessary to give the protagonist a 'special' name ('special' as in 'special olympics' if it is indeed Tommy Hawk), especially when that name isn't mentioned in the (main) title of the game?

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Also, we know the name is a lightning rod, but at least it has people talking. This is a key part of marketing for us -- we like to stir opinions and controversy. Lo Wang anyone? ;-)

This does not correspond with the following quote of yours from the PCG article:

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Our research into American indians and especially the Cherokee has been extensive and time-consuming.
From the start we believed that authenticity was critical to the believability of the characters and their story arcs.
Yes, we're making a dark sci-fi game, but within that context we still want the characters and their mythology to ring true.

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Old 04-27-2005, 05:06 AM   #84
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Those quotes aren't contradictory at all.
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Old 04-27-2005, 10:52 AM   #85
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>>> This does not correspond with the following quote of yours from the PCG article: <<<

I can see your point, but when the game comes out, the character name will far better explained *within* the game's fiction itself. The lead character has an authentic Cherokee name, and goes by the adopted name Tommy (most Native American's use a Caucasian first name nowadays).

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Old 04-27-2005, 11:17 AM   #86
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Scott, the more I hear about this game the more excited I get.
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:48 PM   #87
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All of this said, notice that I DID NOT confirm of deny what the name will be. But it will definitely be a name that polarizes people -- that's how we roll.
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Word, money, but people are talking about Tommy Hawk because it's lame. I thought you guys were making a serious game, with characters we could empathize with and a story that would 'make us cry'. Goofy puns run contrary to those objectives.

The name 'Duke Nukem' is a carry-over from a cartoony side-scroller. 'Max Payne' fits in the context of an over-the-top noir setting. As far as I can tell, NOLF didn't make the name Cate Archer. Tomb Raider didn't make the name Laura Croft. Half-life may have the name Gordon Freeman, but did so discreetly. 'Tommy Hawk' may fit the context of Prey, but out of context, it's too obvious and silly. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Also, we know the name is a lightning rod, but at least it has people talking. This is a key part of marketing for us -- we like to stir opinions and controversy. Lo Wang anyone? ;-)
People are already talking about Prey, but due to it's feature list. Giving your main character a dumb name is counterproductive, IMO. Hopefully, development decisions like this are the exception to the norm.
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:58 PM   #88
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Those quotes aren't contradictory at all.
Not directly, but look at it in the context of this scenario:

Scott Miller: "We spend a lot of time researching Cherokee heritage an effort to respectfully present it in-game."

PCG: "What's the name of your main character?"

Scott Miller: "Tommy Hawk. Get it? Tomahawk? 'Me smoke'm peace pipe!'"
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Old 05-03-2005, 12:07 PM   #89
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From a thread in 2001, http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/sh...true#Post151172
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Wow, Lon, good sleuthing. Joe alerted me to this, so I took a look. Yes, Chase Venture was something we registered because George thought is might be a good character name in the future, but Chase Bank has an investment division called Chase Ventures, so we dropped the idea.<P>Can't really say anything about Tommy Hawk, though I can say 3D Realms is not developing a game with this name. We often get names and later drop them.<P>Did you see that we once had Max Heat? That was the first name we had for Max Payne.<P>Scott
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Old 05-30-2005, 05:38 PM   #90
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I don't see what the huffaw is about. Talon Brave was a quirky name, just as Tommy Hawk, if not more so. It's just a harmless pun! I have just as much attachment to Prey as anyone, and I didn't feel any different about Prey when I heard the name. It's just a name! It's not that bad. It's not like they are using really annoying voice actors or anything. I'm still hyped for this release.
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Old 05-30-2005, 06:42 PM   #91
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lol. that's one way to stir up controversy
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Old 05-30-2005, 08:19 PM   #92
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At least the game isn't called "Tommy Hawk."
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Old 05-30-2005, 09:53 PM   #93
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Any chance Tommy Hawk can skateboard?
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:58 AM   #94
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Yes, and scalp ppl at the same time
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Old 06-10-2005, 05:19 PM   #95
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Prey: A <font color="red">Tommy Hawk</font> Game
 
Old 06-16-2005, 05:56 AM   #96
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I think he should just be called "The Prey Guy."
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Old 06-16-2005, 04:38 PM   #97
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Beelze, please tell me your being sarcastic because calling the character the player controls 'The Prey Guy' would not be appropriate at all. Prey is going to be a game with a strong story and where the player's character talks. Therefore, I think he needs a name for people to refer to. And having 'The Prey Guy' would be boring in that regard. In addition, it would be a lost opportunity for better marketing of the game.
 
Old 06-17-2005, 02:17 PM   #98
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It worked for Doom, didn't it?
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