New EDuke32 renderer!

[The Commander]

Man all those shots are SSsoooooo Ffffffaakkkkeeee.

[NightFright]

Even if staged, cool stuff. Almost... UNREAL!

[Mr.Fibbles]

They were posted by respected members of the forum and guys who are noted artists and coders. I believe it.

i can haz beta?

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fibbles

i can haz beta?

Ha Ha, You must be kidding?

[NightFright]

I'd rather want final! *LOL*

[Radar1013]

If it really is real, i hope it supports high poly models.

I geuss we really won't know wether this is real or not for a DEFINITE FACT until April Fools day is over.

[gt1750]

Sooo, can we see some footage? And why are the HUD weapons not affected by the lighting effects?

[Mr.Fibbles]

Originally Posted by The Commander

Ha Ha, You must be kidding?

Spoiler:

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I really don't know, but discussion may have branched out into other threads and Plagman isn't just some schmo, he actually does do coding etc and is part of the eduke32 team. IIRC he does the graphics etc so it is more than possible that he really did make an opengl engine enhancement for the eduke32 engine.

[The Commander]

I would asume this is why Plagman has not said anything till now because he did not want to be answering *please give me wah wah* post's every 5 mins.

[NightFright]

Plagman doesn't have to say anything anymore because he knew it would be enough to post a few screenies and guys would soon start freaking out. Last time, it was Parkar who posted those shots, and many guys believed it, too...

[Daedolon]

Now seeing these aren't renders at all (unless you went through all that trouble), I can say that whatever renderer this is running on now - I love it.

[Plagman]

Originally Posted by gt1750

And why are the HUD weapons not affected by the lighting effects?

The HUD models are still rendered by Polymost for now. I didn't bother rewriting that last part yet because the existing HRP HUD models are very tied to the Polymost way of rendering HUD models (i.e. their perspective and offsets are all skewed so that they look acceptable in game). I didn't want to reproduce that behavior (unlike the rest of the renderer which is pretty much 100% backwards-compatible with the existing DEF functionality), so I just left them alone. In the end, these HUD models will be part of the game world and affected by surrounding lighting.

[Tea Monster]

This is rediculous! Did we just leapfrog Doom III or what?
Does this count as the best April Fools ever - even though it's not a 'fool'?

Are you allowed to bundle Christmas with April Fools? Who cares!!??

Congratulations Plagman! It's official, I"m freaking out. And thank you for delivering a very good present on a day when I really needed it.

Now I have to ask... Whats the new poly limits and what maps do you use (as in "normal", "height", "bump" etc...). If need be I can produce said maps for the models I've made.

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

Now I have to ask... Whats the new poly limits and what maps do you use (as in "normal", "height", "bump" etc...). If need be I can produce said maps for the models I've made.

Im sure he is going to make a new thread on the specs/requirements very soon. If not...
Because I have ALOT of textures ect that will most likely need re-doing for my mod.

[Smoke39]

Why is the mirror tiled? And why is the street shiny? And why's that crate made of stone?

[NightFright]

Because it's f***ed up!

[gt1750]

Originally Posted by Plagman

The HUD models are still rendered by Polymost for now. I didn't bother rewriting that last part yet because the existing HRP HUD models are very tied to the Polymost way of rendering HUD models (i.e. their perspective and offsets are all skewed so that they look acceptable in game). I didn't want to reproduce that behavior (unlike the rest of the renderer which is pretty much 100% backwards-compatible with the existing DEF functionality), so I just left them alone. In the end, these HUD models will be part of the game world and affected by surrounding lighting.

Cool. I look forward to play with normals/materials etc. when there is a release

[Parkar]

Polylimits haven't changed as far as I know. Of course the whole thing is quiet a bit more demanding then polymost once you start adding lights.

As far as maps suported these are the ones used so far:

Diffuse
Normalmap + Height(stored in alpha channel)
Specular where the color modulates the specular and alpha controls the power. In other words you ca do both carpet and shiny plastic.
Glow maps

Normal maps for models is not implemented yet.

The engine suports pointlights(without shadows) and spotlights(with shadows).

Plagman can give you more technical details I am sure.

Anyway here is a shot I tok while testing out a new normal/height map(ground). The rock wall looks pretty cool in motion btw.

[Qbix]

ah, it has been revealed!
looks good Plagman!

[William Gee]

Looks hot guys, cant wait to play it.

[Daedolon]

Originally Posted by William Gee

Looks hot guys, cant wait to play it.

Can't wait to use that stuff in some mods!

[Sang]

It's real? Wow! Okay now I'm keeping an eye out for this. That last shot that was posted looks awesomely awesome. How would it look without using the HRP? Probably not as good?

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by Sang

How would it look without using the HRP? Probably not as good?

It wouldn't work at all.

[Plagman]

It would look kind of like that:



Of course, someone could go through the bother of creating normal maps for the classic tiles, but it doesn't seem worth it somehow. Simple dynamic lights and shadows could probably fit pretty well with the classic art, though.

[The Commander]

Looks a *little* like the Saturn version, although I havent really seen to much of that to say.

[Bad Sector]

Very good! :-)

I was thinking about doing a similar thing with EDuke32 (basically i wanted to add SSAO to remove a bit the "flatness" of the environment), but i was always carried away by other things and learning a new codebase takes time i usually prefer to spend on my own projects .

[Daedolon]

Originally Posted by Plagman

Of course, someone could go through the bother of creating normal maps for the classic tiles, but it doesn't seem worth it somehow. Simple dynamic lights and shadows could probably fit pretty well with the classic art, though.

Can't you make an option to enable the HRP normal maps for the classic tiles -- after all, they're based on them so most of them would have all the bumps and whatnot in the exact same spots.

[hightreason]

if this is real, it's very awesome, but forgive me for not beleiving it until i can actually play on it

[IceColdDuke]

Is this real? I mean in reality it wouldnt be impossible, but I'll believe it when I can play it on my box .

Dumb question why does the log show "Compiling GPU program with bits 981..." what could that feasibly do?

[Parkar]

Originally Posted by Daedolon

Can't you make an option to enable the HRP normal maps for the classic tiles -- after all, they're based on them so most of them would have all the bumps and whatnot in the exact same spots.

It would have to be spot on or it would look really really off. Would be kinda neat with a lowres dynamic light pack but probably way to much work and getting normalmaps that fit on a lot of the stuff would be really hard.

[IceColdDuke]

Originally Posted by Parkar

It would have to be spot on or it would look really really off. Would be kinda neat with a lowres dynamic light pack but probably way to much work and getting normalmaps that fit on a lot of the stuff would be really hard.

Your compiling normal maps on the fly? Why?

Care to enlighten the class .

[Parkar]

Originally Posted by IceColdDuke

Your compiling normal maps on the fly? Why?

Care to enlighten the class .

Not sure where you got that from. All I am saying is the HRP normal maps would not work well on the lowres art ~99% of the time. It would however be cool with a pack of normalmaps for the lowres art but probably way to much work to be worth it.

[IceColdDuke]

I dont know I just got back from jury duty and im tired :|. Your right it wouldnt, but whats the GPU line for?

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by IceColdDuke

but whats the GPU line for?

http://tinyurl.com/cvmz95

OK!!!!

I GOTTA ASK... IS THIS REAL... CONSIDERING
It is now halfway through the 2nd of April for me in Australia... If this is real then FRICKING SWEET (and does it support AA?)!!!!

If not then I'm not surprised... but hopefully April Fools is over and we can finally get some answers.

[DeeperThought]

Originally Posted by Piano Man

OK!!!!

I GOTTA ASK... IS THIS REAL... CONSIDERING
It is now halfway through the 2nd of April for me in Australia... If this is real then FRICKING SWEET (and does it support AA?)!!!!

If not then I'm not surprised... but hopefully April Fools is over and we can finally get some answers.

You got answers from the first post of the thread. The only April Fool's part was about it requiring DX10.

[Parkar]

Here is a video of the my personal build of the game recorded by my brother(Esslan).

A few notes:

Yes, it's very dark. I have the sector ligthing scaled down to 20% so I can get a better look at normalmaps.

Yes, the pipeobomb works like a flare. Again just so I can place lights here and there real quick.

Models are not lit by the staticaly placed lights. Plagman knows why and it will get fixed. It works in mirrors though.

It's not using the same setup in the bathroom as in the screenshot posted in the first post as that was a staged thing plagman did just to show things of. Ive got the main lights in there though and probably gives a pretty fair preview of how the rest would look with proper textures and lighting.

All the lighting produced by sprites are a hardcoded hack so thats why they sometimes turns off when you look away.

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/ca...132965gT6NmADm

Youtube link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Jtp_YJ8R0

unfortunatly both turned out to be quiet bad quality but at least it gives you an idea of how it looks in motion.

[MusicallyInspired]

I've actually had experience with reverse-psychology April fool's jokes before. Always the best ones. Kudos, guys, on a remarkable feat. Can't wait to play it!

[Radar1013]

Originally Posted by The Commander

http://tinyurl.com/cvmz95

lol awesome dude!

Man, i really wanted to see how the shrinker looked in that video! Man, this is awesome! Good job guys!

[Rider]

I want to believe this is all coming... but the skeptic in me is nagging me about how this is all just VERY well orchestrated and it IS april fools... and it IS too good to be true...

Kudos on either case