FSAA and AF on the Xbox 360 ?

[qwerty]

Will the Xbox 360 version of Prey use Full Screen Anti Aliasing and Antisoptric Filtering ??

the 360 should have enough power shouldnt it ?

[Spooger]

I keep reading that 360 games are required to have 2xAA. So at the very least, that's in.

[qwerty]

where did you read that ?

[Morry]

Yeah, all 360 games have 2xAA minimum. Most only do 2xAA.

[qwerty]

why are there games without AA then ?

[Morry]

2xAA wouldn't be that noticeable on couch gaming anyway. Even on a CRT monitor up close, it's only 2 images blended together.

[Bludd]

Originally Posted by Morry

2xAA wouldn't be that noticeable on couch gaming anyway. Even on a CRT monitor up close, it's only 2 images blended together.

No. This is incorrect. Read up on MSAA, multisample anti-aliasing.

The type of texture filtering used by games on the Xbox 360 is up to the developer of the game, but I suspect most decide on the appropriate filtering on a surface by surface basis.

[aviel120]

I don't think the 360 has the power to drag prey on full settings abd AA on more then 2.
or maybe the 360 don't using all setting at all?

[Recklessness]

I've found an Xbox 360 multiplayer screenshot from E3. Not sure if you can tell if it's using what for AA but it seems to look pretty good to me.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1438/dscf00583ed.jpg

[aviel120]

yes the 360 version does look good but a hige end pc can take the 360 version jast like in oblivion.

[FireFly]

AA is no longer a requirement for 360 games. It was dropped because developers had technical difficulties implementing it while keeping framerates high.

Technically AA is 'free' on the 360 (4xAA incurs a 5% performance hit) when using the bandwidth provided by the built in eDRAM. However the 10 MB provided by the RAM is only enough to store a 720p framebuffer, without AA. As soon as you add AA, it becomes to small. To solve this, Microsoft built in a tiling feature which would split up the geometry, allowing multiple 'tiles' to be swapped on and off the eDRAM.

However this required engine support, and so some launch titles couldn't be easily modified to support it. In the case of UE3, one of the shadowing techniques is incompatible with tiling, so you won't see any AA in Gears of War.

I believe Microsoft still requires developers to justify the absense of AA, however.

Originally Posted by aviel120

I don't think the 360 has the power to drag prey on full settings abd AA on more then 2.
or maybe the 360 don't using all setting at all?

If they're using the eDRAM it won't be an issue.

[Recklessness]

Originally Posted by aviel120

yes the 360 version does look good but a hige end pc can take the 360 version jast like in oblivion.

WTF, I wasn't trying to compare the 360 version to the pc, just wanted to post that pic to show that it looks like it's using some form of AA.

[Joe Siegler]

Originally Posted by Recklessness

I've found an Xbox 360 multiplayer screenshot from E3. Not sure if you can tell if it's using what for AA but it seems to look pretty good to me.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1438/dscf00583ed.jpg

FYI, that screenshot is from the full vesion, that won't be in the demo.

[aviel120]

joe siegler what version has the better look? 360 or PC? (i'm talking about hige end pc)

[Micki!]

He told us once, that they looked VERY similar... I don't think the difference is big enough, to care for that matter...

[Morry]

Originally Posted by aviel120

joe siegler what version has the better look? 360 or PC? (i'm talking about hige end pc)

They would use the same assets (textures, models etc), so the only difference would be in the resolutions, AA and AF. And we all know those things are visually better on PC.

[aviel120]

ok but what pc can handle better AA and AF? (what type of comp'? video card RAM and CPU)

[hell-angel]

GF 7800 and up I believe.
Although my 6800 Ultra OC is doing a great job as well

[Parkar]

If you want realy good fps you probaboy need to go higher then 7800.

I use 1280x1024 in Quake 4 instead of 1024x768 with AA as it runs better(5 fps more or so) on my 7900gt and looks about the same.

[Morry]

I ran Quake 4 1024x720 with 2xAA, no shadows and it ran fine on my 9600xt

[Parkar]

Originally Posted by Morry

I ran Quake 4 1024x720 with 2xAA, no shadows and it ran fine on my 9600xt

2xAA looks like crap though, I'd rather play without it then with it on.

[Morry]

AA is usually the last option I turn on (with a card as old as mine), so I use it when I have extra performance to use. I didn't use shadows because I didn't like the look of them on the Doom 3 engine.

[hell-angel]

You actually noticed the shadows? (with that I mean character shadows). I didn't for two reasons:
1) The game is to dark to see them.
2) The characters where usually dead before I could see the shadows.

[Morry]

That's part of the reason too. Most of the environments were dark enough, coupled with the fact that the shadows just paint black over things. I would rather see good texturing than black shapes floating around.

[Bludd]

Originally Posted by Parkar

2xAA looks like crap though, I'd rather play without it then with it on.

You must be crazy. 2x doesn't reduce jaggies much, but it does reduce them.

[aviel120]

I can play Quake 4 on hiest settings 1280*1024 and AA4 and it works graet on my X1800GTO

[Parkar]

Originally Posted by Bludd

You must be crazy. 2x doesn't reduce jaggies much, but it does reduce them.

It might get ridd of the jaggies a bit but instead it all looks messy.

[Bludd]

Yes, but only really if you run at low resolutions.

[hell-angel]

AA is only usefull on 1024 and up IMO.

[Malgon]

I've never used AA simply because my computer has never been able to play the latest games with it on. Only old games will fly with it on, but by then I've already finished them and moved onto the current crop!

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by hell-angel

AA is only usefull on 1024 and up IMO.

Why do you say that? Jaggies are much more noticeable at lower resolutions.

[Micki!]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Why do you say that? Jaggies are much more noticeable at lower resolutions.

Maybe it gives better performance with AA in 1024, than no AA in 1280...

I doubt that though, since i believe AA takes ALOT more of the performance than the resolution switch does...

Or am i wrong, i'm pretty sure this is right...

[hell-angel]

What I meant was that you don't notice AA that much when you use it on resolutions below 1024. At least, that was what I was told.

[FireFly]

Well, it's the opposite; you notice it more. You notice it less at higher resolutions because the relative size of each pixel is smaller.

[Micki!]

I wonder which options i'll use in Prey...

It may not be worth it to use 1280 res with 4X AA if it looks similar to each other...
It shouldn't affect performance much on my machine, but i'm trying to keep it cool, because something's wrong with my videocard (easily gets overheated, leading to graphical erros, bad performance, and other stuff)

[FireFly]

Have you considered returning the card?

[Micki!]

It's not that simple...

But ASUS is aware of this, since it's an error many of thier cards have gotten (mine included, as you see) and they're planning of releasing a driver, fixing this annoying issue...
But if my card isn't on par with other cards, of the same kind anfter this driver, i'm gonna have to return it, somehow...

[degicank dot comr]

Im running the demo version at all max settings, at 1280x1024 at about 175-250FTPS no problem, so FSAA and AF on 360 should no be a problem

[Parkar]

Yup this game runs lika dream.