Will Duke ever get back on top?

[madhatter man]

The enemies in Duke 3D were not truly 3D because when i would strafe around them, they would be paper thin at times.

[doomsdayman]

Not A Change Look At Crysis That Game Is Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Gooooooood So Perfect Made

[MannFred]

Bad troll is bad.

[ryche]

Will Duke ever get back on top?

If I were him...I'd prefer the girl to be on top

[wieder]

Originally Posted by ryche

Just to correct ya a lil...

1) From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_engine
"Room over room
Several Build engine games used a trick involving rendering multiple times to draw two sectors that were joined floor to ceiling. As building the sectors over top of each other was not really feasible due to limitations of the editor, the sectors could either be moved at map load time (which made calculations during the game simpler), or left where they were. The two best known games to use this trick were Shadow Warrior (which moved the sectors at map load time) and Blood (which did not). This trick was not a feature of the Build engine but rather a trick that was discovered by game developers."

But yeah if 3DRealms can make DNF at least as interactive as they did Duke3D they got a winner.

He was talking about rooms being physically over each other, even if they weren't visible to each otherThere were Build Engine games before Duke 3D so Duke 3D wasn't really the first to do it... but it was the first to do it that anyone knew about. The prior shooters/RPGs that you could walk around in didn't allow that at all.

[JobivanHiob]

Who else if not Duke, the top is his home!

[ryche]

Originally Posted by wieder

He was talking about rooms being physically over each other, even if they weren't visible to each otherThere were Build Engine games before Duke 3D so Duke 3D wasn't really the first to do it... but it was the first to do it that anyone knew about. The prior shooters/RPGs that you could walk around in didn't allow that at all.

Yeah I kinda thought he might've meant it that way so I didn't go too far into depth with the whole room over room thing.

Still got a thing for the Portman I see

Excuse me but I think no. It could be success but not on the top of the hill. There nearly impossible beat cs or battlefield or.... Duke could play many players but not so much as these multiplayer oriented games with huge player base.

"Not A Change Look At Crysis That Game Is Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Gooooooood So Perfect Made"

See 5 years later, I predict that crisis will be known (if will be remembered) as technological demo only not as fun game. Simply came out games with better graphic
and physics, except technology there is nothing interesting on Crysis and also clever marketing like with hollywood films without story.

[ryche]

I think today just shut this topic down.

[rebelphoenix]

The servers keep crashing. If that ain't on top I don't know what is. I talked to scotty and he said he's given the server all she's got, but she canna take no moar!

[Joe Siegler]

Originally Posted by rebelphoenix

The servers keep crashing. If that ain't on top I don't know what is. I talked to scotty and he said he's given the server all she's got, but she canna take no moar!

Our servers have not crashed once. Stressed, yes. Busy, oh hell yes. But crash? No.

vBulletin has a limiter to prevent people from accessing when the stress level gets to a certain point SPECIFICALLY SO IT DOES NOT crash.

[Llama Gibbz]

Prey offered some unique elements to DM with its wall walking.
I simply loved it.

But i think death match is dead,more people play team based games anymore.

Perhaps focus on a duke CTF or capture point mode instead?

[Decker]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

No game lasts for long without a good multiplayer, that is a fact.

An otherwise solid game with an active modding community does. See: Max Payne.

[doomsdayman]

URGM CRYSIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER THE ALIENS THE SUIT THE NUKES YOU CANT HAVE A FUN GAME WITHOUT NUKES UNLESS YOU PLAY DOOM AND THAT KIND OF STUFF

Originally Posted by czechImenhotep

Excuse me but I think no. It could be success but not on the top of the hill. There nearly impossible beat cs or battlefield or.... Duke could play many players but not so much as these multiplayer oriented games with huge player base.

"Not A Change Look At Crysis That Game Is Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Gooooooood So Perfect Made"

See 5 years later, I predict that crisis will be known (if will be remembered) as technological demo only not as fun game. Simply came out games with better graphic
and physics, except technology there is nothing interesting on Crysis and also clever marketing like with hollywood films without story.

[ryche]

Ok, some needs to lay off the coffee...

[Draxus]

Originally Posted by Llama Gibbz

But i think death match is dead,more people play team based games anymore.

Perhaps focus on a duke CTF or capture point mode instead?

Right so one person with the highest score (frags and such) could be Duke while the rest are i.e. EDF team members. So you don't have a team filled with Duke clones.

[EmperorZorn]

DNF will be quickly forgotten.

DN3D was a kickass and fun game with no worthy rivals and only few contestants in the FPS genre.
Nowadays you get hundreds of FPS games each year, most of them forgotten very quickly.

I think even if DNF is a big success, after some time people will divert their attention to
the next pretty game which uses a shiny new Crytek engine and forget about DNF.

The market is flooded with too many (mediocre) games,
graphics are too important to the new generation of gamers.

Originally Posted by Draxus

Right so one person with the highest score (frags and such) could be Duke while the rest are i.e. EDF team members. So you don't have a team filled with Duke clones.

F**k that, I want classic Dukematch complete with Duke skins in different colors.
Deathmatch is far from dead, we just haven't had an enjoyable and balanced Deathmatch game since HL2: DM, IMHO.

[Draxus]

Originally Posted by hellchicken

F**k that, I want classic Dukematch complete with Duke skins in different colors.
Deathmatch is far from dead, we just haven't had an enjoyable and balanced Deathmatch game since HL2: DM, IMHO.

Sure there should be such Deathmatch and innovative multiplayer modes so it's competitive and can last for a long time.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by hellchicken

F**k that, I want classic Dukematch complete with Duke skins in different colors.
Deathmatch is far from dead, we just haven't had an enjoyable and balanced Deathmatch game since HL2: DM, IMHO.

HL2DM is horrible. I want Doom/Duke3d fast DM in DNF.

[peoplessi]

DNF is about attitude, gameplay, being ******* Duke Nukem game. Crysis doesn't have shit on DNF if you ask me, just based on that teaser alone.

For me, Crysis was pretty, but very bland experience - no wonder it hasn't sold too many copies. Although I bought the collectors edition

[Access]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

Highly depends on the multiplayer side of things doesn't it?

No game lasts for long without a good multiplayer, that is a fact.

Well I dont ever play multiplayer either, I want to pay my money, play 6 - 10 hours of game play and move onto the next game. Good films are rewatched millions of times without the need for multi-player. Tell a story well enough and make the universe immersive and enjoyable enough and people will continue to play your games over and over again.

Obviously multilayer is important to hard core gamers, but thats only a small segment of the market (albeit quite a larger market for a Duke game).

[Airtraffic]

Originally Posted by Access

Well I dont ever play multiplayer either, I want to pay my money, play 6 - 10 hours of game play and move onto the next game. Good films are rewatched millions of times without the need for multi-player. Tell a story well enough and make the universe immersive and enjoyable enough and people will continue to play your games over and over again.

Obviously multilayer is important to hard core gamers, but thats only a small segment of the market (albeit quite a larger market for a Duke game).

There was a poll on shack a couple of years ago and 77% of action gamers wouldn't buy a game if it didn't have MP.

I am one of those.

If the multiplayer doesnt change from the original formula, i will be the happiest man alive. I played for hours and hours on the wireplay network in the UK pipe bombing everyone and playing "its my lift!" setting silly traps up etc...

Most "Next Gen" MP games are plagued with online issues, hitbox issues (See CS:Source, which dont get me wrong... is getting alot better slowly). New Physics engine issues with clipping etc... being highly annoying and buggy too. Quake 4 isn't played nowadays due to it not being an improvement over Quake 3, which is just perfect. Where Quake 4 feels sluggish.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by ryche

Will Duke ever get back on top?

If I were him...I'd prefer the girl to be on top

you took the words right out of my mouth

[slapdaddy06]

To this day, I will always favor a GOOD single-player game over a multi-player game. I don't think DNF will disappoint in this regard.

I actually hope for them to release a multiplayer component to the game after the initial release for those who have purchased it. Concentrate on a GOOD single-player game, then work on multiplayer and try to fit in as many ideas as possible...

There could be an alien vs human coop mode eventually maybe...it might be interesting. But I don't think that having a multiplayer component is necessary for a game to flourish.

[oak man]

I just hope 3DR can find it in their hearts to add co-op as well as the all mighty Dukematch, which is probably in for sure!

I can't wait to start a server, and have my Duke clan grow! The Brothers Nukem shall flourish!

[Airtraffic]

Originally Posted by macr

If the multiplayer doesnt change from the original formula, i will be the happiest man alive. I played for hours and hours on the wireplay network in the UK pipe bombing everyone and playing "its my lift!" setting silly traps up etc...

Most "Next Gen" MP games are plagued with online issues, hitbox issues (See CS:Source, which dont get me wrong... is getting alot better slowly). New Physics engine issues with clipping etc... being highly annoying and buggy too. Quake 4 isn't played nowadays due to it not being an improvement over Quake 3, which is just perfect. Where Quake 4 feels sluggish.

Agreed.

heres my top 3 wishes (demands actually)

1. Fast pace but not Quake fast, think HL deathmatch plus 10%
2. Tripmines and pipe bombs for the giggle factor
3. Personal models and spray paints...more giggle factor

[Mangopork]

Airtraffic, you forgot the presupposed holiest of golden calfs....


halo.



Duke is more of a badass than the MC, duke needs no friggin' armor.

Can he top it?

I hope so!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Airtraffic

There was a poll on shack a couple of years ago and 77% of action gamers wouldn't buy a game if it didn't have MP.

I am one of those.

I'm not a big fan of multiplayer myself but I really want to play a Dukematch in DNF. Can't wait, actually

[Mangopork]

Oh, and DM isn't dead.

PLENTY of people play deathmatch games.

Fear, HL2DM, prey, and halo dm.

Team games are more popular sure but that's because, aside from wall walking and the gravity gun and vehicles, and lightsabers/forcepowers(jedi knight only), no one has done anything interesting with deathmatch in almost ten years.

No one.

Think about that. We've had roughly 3 innovations in the deathmatch category in about 10 years.

So if duke has some unique features or toys to play with or awesome weapons, it's deathmatch will do fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

[Steve]

A lot of interactivity will be VERY interesting in DM. However, do you think 3D Realms will have city like DM levels or just big shitty maps with creates? How knows.

[KaiHanshen]

If DNF EVER had MP modes, like Cooperative play, SDK or sorta thing with a new Build mapping software, ect...I would ignore the fact DNF seems like just a more non-serious Prey,playable in Earth!

[Steve]

Originally Posted by KaiHanshen

If DNF EVER had MP modes, like Cooperative play, SDK or sorta thing with a new Build mapping software, ect...I would ignore the fact DNF seems like just a more non-serious Prey,playable in Earth!

I'm having trouble understanding your post. How is a Software Development kit a mode? DNF will come with the unreal editor to make your levels, etc.

And "Prey, playble in earth" doesn't make sense.

[rebelphoenix]

To be honest most single player games that have multiplayer, I play through the single player and never even touch multiplayer. That's why when Bioshock came out I didn't really have anything to complain about other than that damn rootkit that came on the disc. Securom FTL.

[omnipresence]

Will Duke ever get back on top?

Depends, how many babes and strippers are trying to be on top of him at the same time?







....I expect the most fun DM of all time from Duke. There also has to be some team- and / or objective based mode. You can't ship a great game and expect the Mod community to do your work.

[hell-angel]

IMO, it never left the top.

[MusicallyInspired]

Multiplayer is overrated. Single player is where it's at. Always has been.

[hell-angel]

I agree with that MI (MusicallyInspired )

[Simon Charles]

Just like Mario is still relevant to platformers, Duke is still relevant to shooters. In fact, even moreso now than before, with all those serious FPS around these days. I hope Duke comes back strong to remind everyone he can still kick ass.