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Uh..... the last two could definitely be there. As a matter of fact, Max truly does have nothing to lose at this point. I would say just wait for more info, and perhaps try the game before making judgments. The comments people have about this game with the handful of screenshots we have and the little information we have been given is ridiculous. A Max Payne game doesn't have to be in NY for it to be a Max Payne game, and last I checked Max wasn't the sanest individual in the world so it is quite believable that he has let himself go, and changed since the last time we saw him.
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I dont care if its conceivable, I dont care if its believable, I dont care if its realistic... It doesnt feel right, and it bothers the piss out of me that they would change things so drastically. I think Max Payne has to be at the very least in a dark, gritty, noir-city enviroment. Chicago, New York, Seattle, Los Angeles...Etc. We already know based on where Rockstar has stated and shown us they're taking this, its not going to be like that, at all.
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"I think Max Payne has to be at the very least in a dark, gritty, noir-city enviroment. Chicago, New York, Seattle, Los Angeles...Etc. We already know based on where Rockstar has stated and shown us they're taking this, its not going to be like that, at all."
Okay then you aren't limiting him to any specific city, so we are getting closer. What does "noir-city environment" mean though in practice? FYI this is from the agreement between Take Two and Remedy/3D Realms when they bought the IP, from the non-compete clause(that expires in 2012): Quote:
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Max Payne 1 and 2 essentially define noir-city for me. The night/dark, dreary, often snow covered city enviroment. The run down apartments, the slums, the sewers, subway tunnels. The dampness, run down look. Thugs hiding in the shadows. The narration in that 1930's detective drama style, the comic pages depicting the city scape, and our character... That entire package basically. You remove an element, and its like being the jackass in UNO that knocks the stack over. It just falls apart.
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All of these elements will still probably be there. The city the game is set in has a dynamic range of environments just like any other city. There are high rises, and there are slums. I think the big thing throwing people off is that some of the screens that we have seen take place during the day. Well I'm sorry, but stuff happens during the day and Max doesn't have to be limited to a nigh time setting. I think when all is said and done, the naysayers will be surprised how the game turns out. R* will not put out a bad product, and they are well aware of what makes Max Payne, Max Payne.
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I really don't care if he's fat and bald. Hell, stick him in a wheelchair if you want. But replacing a setting that's been burned into the series as a major staple and replacing it with something completely polar opposite kills a lot of the charm of the game. It would be as if they made a sequel to John Carpenters "The Thing" and had it set in Hawaii.
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With high-school teenagers as the cast.
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Exactly.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo
Take a look at Sao Paulo. The analogy you made was poor. It is nothing like moving The Thing from Antarctica to Hawaii. Sao Paulo is just like every other major city. It isn't like they are moving the game from NYC to Lincoln, Nebraska. They are moving it to another large and sprawling city landscape.
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You seem to be absolutely missing the point we're trying to make here.
If I had time I would make you a visual aid with poster board and crayons to get the idea across, however I need to go to work.
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Which is what? Sao Paulo can be as dark and dreary as any other place. It is all a matter of how Rockstar paints the picture. Last time I checked Rockstar doesn't paint happy pictures with sunshine and rainbows. You will get a gritty crime drama, with a noir atmosphere, comic cutscenes, and a man with nothing to lose.
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The change in setting is a big strike against it. Huge.
But for me, my two biggest problems.... Sam Lake is not writing the story. James McCaffrey is not the voice of Max. I'd have faith in Rockstar to be able to nail the gameplay... but without Sam writing the story, I'm very resistant to how well it's going to be handled.
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This thread reminds me of the Bioshock 2 thread.
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Little bit... in a way.
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I know that personally, I'm wary of this game. Somewhat, it's the location- you take Max Payne into a city outside of America, and you totally screw with the conventions. It's the culture that makes American crime what it is, and Sao Paulo has it's own culture that shapes it's own crimes. One could say that "crime is crime", but it doesn't work for me.
It would be hard to get into the local. So far, I've found myself resisting the idea of Brazil. It's totally believable, make no mistake, but it'll be hard to carry American noir crime tropes and transpose them over the top of Brazilian culture. And if they don't make Brazil's culture a significant presence, I will be pissed. Because then, all they would have done is pick up Max Payne with awesome Bullet Dodging Action and put him in a new sandbox, without changing the tropes at all. Although, I think it could work if Max keeps that cynical vibe, and then contrast it against Brazilian criminal culture. Are the Brazilians as hardassed and cynical as Max? Of course, but for different reasons. Crime is done for different reasons. Instead of changing the traditional noir tropes we've established so far in the games, if they keep them and use them to show how out of place Max is, that would be interesting. Like he's trying to deny the past by transplanting himself in a new culture, but it doesn't work. But I'm not expecting it. I'm not expecting the new game developers to be as careful and creative as the original writers and developers. I'm expecting them to make a game that would draw a crowd to make money, and that's pretty much it. |
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We could even step back and not read so far into things, and just say Rockstar are ripping off a movie as always. In this case, Man on Fire.
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Sure I mean why not? Vice City was pretty much Scarface.
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its not the setting alone... max payne looks too much like sam fisher... Max payne shouldn't have lots of mussels or be bald...
he should have a small and narrow body which looks fragile... and he has guns and painkillers to overcome his physical weakness... and too ******* change his voice... worst choise ever?
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Dey had BALSS. BALSS To rip me, Tony Montanna off. I have ko-kayn, you ffff****s.
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I know what I like too, but with the little information we have about MP3 there is almost no conceivable way to know how it will turn out. Yeah Remedy isn't behind it, Sam Lake didn't write the story, James McCaffrey isn't returning to voice Max Payne, Max is a little older for wear, and yeah the game isn't set in NY. But until we see the vision R* is working towards, it is impossible to judge the game yet and the decisions R* has made. Yeah I guess you could say this doesn't feel like a way Max would go, but until you see how R* actually presents all of these things it is impossible to know how things will turn out. I have said it before, and I will say it again, R* doesn't put out shit, and they don't milk things. They take their time and put out quality games, and I don't see them screwing this up with a franchise they paid a lot of money for.
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It's something to ignore and pretend it never existed...like what AVP fans do with the movies.
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Was anyone really surprised by this?
How could we expect the game early next year when they haven't shown a single piece of in game footage/gameplay? Honestly, I'll be surprised if this game makes a 2010 release.
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I hope its max payne: extreme makeover happening at rockstar...
and in makeover I mean... back to basics of the max payne franchise...
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Oh damn, I was hoping it was canceled.
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Well they're not making Grand Theft Auto 2010 so that'll hurt them right there.
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I'm willing to give MP3 a chance. I'm skeptical, but I'm not going to jump at the chance to criticize a game I haven't even seen gameplay footage of yet. They may just pull something great off. But they may also produce a turd. Being Rockstar, I'd put my money on the former.
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6246424...dlines;title;2
"The game's story just went through another total re-write earlier this month (the third that I am aware of in the past two years) and that [means] the team would have to have all of the content done by April or May to make that August release date," Interesting comment from the article. I don't know how you can have a total rewrite so far into development, but I'm not a developer either.
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The third re-write...
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My guess would be that re-write is an exaggeration. It is probably a third revision of what was already there.
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I think the Max Payne franchise is an example of how not to handle an IP.
IMHO, Max Payne should have been a one-off. End the game with the ending of Max Payne 1. He's killed the people responsible for his family's death and is content with the outcome. |
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