Several old Games released as freeware!

Joe Siegler · 03-20-2009, 02:25 PM

When we used to go by our original name of "Apogee Software", this company was involved in a lot of games. Most of them of a different era, they looked different, they felt different, and they were a lot less complicated. The legacy of the company is quite large, and as the years have marched on, a lot of titles from that era have been left behind technically. We started to release some of the old titles for free way back as far as March 1998, when we released some old 80's era Infocom style adventure games such as "Beyond the Titanic" & "Supernova". That was our first foray into the world of freeware releases. As the years went by, we started releasing more and more of our older discontinued games as freeware. A lot of them were released in the "Apogee Legacy" series of interviews from about three years ago. (If you never read that series, you should, there's a lot of good stuff in there).

However, we've been getting requests since then about the remaining titles that we no longer sell. Today we're here to bring the freeware releases full circle, so to speak. Today we are releasing five more games as freeware, and re-releasing three others as well! The one game that is most notable in this release group is Kroz. Kroz was our first ever game, it was the one that founded the company, and got everything rolling back in 1987. Hard to believe our first game is 22 years old now, but that's what was built out of Scott Miller's bedroom in Garland, Texas all those years ago. Here is a complete list of what is being released today:

Kroz - Our first ever game, a text adventure game by Scott Miller [ download ]
Arctic Adventure - a CGA based scroller game by George Broussard [ download ]
Dark Ages - an EGA based scroller game by Todd Replogle [ download ]
Monuments of Mars - a CGA based scroller by Todd Replogle [ download ]
Pharaoh's Tomb - a CGA based scroller game by George Broussad [ download ]

We're also re-releasing some previously released freeware games.

Beyond the Titanic - Text based Infocom style adventure game by Scott Miller [ download ]
Supernova - Text based Infocom style adventure game by Scott Miller [ download ]
Word Whiz - A text based trivia game from Scott Miller [ download ]

The reason we are re-releasing those is because they're being released with source code (under GPL). These were found when we were doing research into Kroz, which is also being released with source code, too!

There were a lot of Kroz games. Seven officially, but many of them had alternate names and variants. There's been a small, but persistant number of requests over the years for the Kroz source code. In the earliest days of the company, we used to actually sell the source code to Kroz (and other titles from that era). We were finally able to make it through the dusty old floppy disk archives in Scott Miller's effects. We found the Kroz source along with the source for these other games, so it's all been GPL'ed, and you can check it all out for free! Kroz has a rather complicated list of games and aliases and whatnot. We strongly suggest reading the readme file that comes with that download.

A few notes about these releases:

These are all being offered as freeware (which is not to be confused with public domain or the illegal concept of "abandonware"). YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN WITH THESE! Do not contact us for help with them, you will be mercilessly ignored.
Given the ages of these things (the newest one came out in 1990), you almost certainly will need DOSBox to get them running. This is a free third party program that lets you run older DOS based games in newer OS's (especially Vista) when they wouldn't be able to otherwise. You can get that at http://www.dosbox.com
A huge thanks go out to two fans who helped out a lot with the restoration of the Kroz archives. This would be Frenkel Smeijers & Jeremy Wrezinski. We probably couldn't have been able to put out the release without their help, as some of the materials we no longer had in our archives. Thanks, guys!

You can download these releases via the links above, or visit our main downloads page where you can check them out as well as everything else we have available.

This bunch of freeware brings our concept of freeware releases to a close. The reason I say that is that of all the games we no longer sell, they've all either been released as freeware previously, or are in this batch (except for one, and that might be revived at a future date, hence no freeware release on that one yet). Unless we discontinue something new in the future, there's no more to come from this well. Make sure and read our games page for a list of freeware, discontinued, and whatnot games. You can also check out our timeline history page for more details as to when what was released.

We want to close out by giving you this really cool little extra. It's a flash based version of the "Kingdoms of Kroz II" game. It was put together by the aforementioned Jeremy Wrezinski. It's quite cool, and we spent some time here playing this for real. A big thanks to Jeremy for letting us host it on our site. It originally appeared on his site at this location.

Since I can't embed flash in a forum post, you need to go here to play it:

http://www.3drealms.com/kroz/index.html

dlink · 03-20-2009, 03:03 PM

Nice move from 3drealms this is amazing ! Great stuff and good old freeware games, thanks for doing this ! It's so nice ! Apogee era games here i come :P

ZaphodB · 03-20-2009, 03:06 PM

Has it been mentioned how awesome you guys are?!!?!?!

Cyrix · 03-20-2009, 03:58 PM

*is speechless*

Dopefish7590 · 03-20-2009, 04:22 PM

Wow, not just one game... But 5 games, and 3 re-releases.

Amazing stuff Joe!

Joe Siegler · 03-20-2009, 04:24 PM

Thing is, I'm out of stuff to release as freeware now. Not unless we discontinue something new in the future.

SonnyBonds · 03-20-2009, 04:30 PM

This is fantastic! Really awesome thing you're doing releasing all of your discontinued games as freeware, if only more companies would do this!

Very cool!

MJongo · 03-20-2009, 04:48 PM

I was excited about Kroz, but Dark Ages and Arctic Adventure too?!?! AWESOME!

MrBlackCat · 03-20-2009, 04:58 PM

This sort of thing really sets Apogee/3D Realms apart from 99% of game companies in my opinion.
The forums and interaction, the release of source code and freeware etc really sets Apogee/3D Realms apart in a way I see as under-rated by the majority.
To me, this sort of thing is news-worthy.

Thank you Apogee/3D Realms, Joe S, George B, Scott M, and the others those involved... and thanks to the key fans that held on to their old data and games.

MrBlackCat

Joe Siegler · 03-20-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJongo

I was excited about Kroz, but Dark Ages and Arctic Adventure too?!?! AWESOME!

Yeah, the extra ones I was keeping a secret. Kind of do a last big "push" with the freeware eligible titles. You guys knew about Kroz, but not the other stuff, too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

Thanks you Apogee/3D Realms, Joe S, George B, Scott M, and the others those involved... and thanks to the key fans that held on to their old data and games.

From this end, it was all me. George would prefer I never mess with this stuff anyway, and other than answering some questions about Kroz game names and whatnot Scott didn't have anything to do with it either. The only involvement George had was when I asked him if I could release AA & Tomb. Beyond that 30 second conversation George didn't have anything to do with it. hahaha.

MJongo · 03-20-2009, 05:03 PM

Wow, didn't even see Pharoah's Tomb! I'm so excited, never played the registered version before!

peoplessi · 03-20-2009, 08:39 PM

Joe Siegler, a big thanks, truly appreciated!

Crosma · 03-20-2009, 09:17 PM

Woo. Nice.

You could always release the source for these games, right? You still have the source for Monuments of Mars, right?

Dopefish7590 · 03-20-2009, 09:56 PM

The source is included with the releases.

Joe Siegler · 03-20-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crosma

You could always release the source for these games, right? You still have the source for Monuments of Mars, right?

Crosma · 03-21-2009, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Oh yeah, missed that. Sorry about that, old bean.

Nukkus · 03-21-2009, 04:57 AM

What a beautiful load of classics!

cyborg · 03-21-2009, 08:09 AM

SAUCE!!!

My weekend has just been cleared.

JobivanHiob · 03-21-2009, 09:12 AM

these games were before my time of a gamer...but seeing all the fans excited, let me want to look into these games for the first time!

And Cudos to the Siegler of course!

hightreason · 03-21-2009, 09:14 AM

Very awesome. Thanks Joe.

MusicallyInspired · 03-21-2009, 09:42 AM

Regarding Arctic Adventure and what George had to say about it, I must be one of those six people because I absolutely ADORED Arctic Adventure. I have never beaten the first shareware episode, but now with all 3 I have new motivation to finally see it through to completion! Thank you, Joe and George!

Altered Reality · 03-21-2009, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Thing is, I'm out of stuff to release as freeware now. Not unless we discontinue something new in the future.

What about releasing what was done of games that were never officially released (like Megaloman)? Of course, with a big disclaimer stating that those games are unfinished and almost certainly have bugs.

Joe Siegler · 03-21-2009, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altered Reality

What about releasing what was done of games that were never officially released (like Megaloman)? Of course, with a big disclaimer stating that those games are unfinished and almost certainly have bugs.

Betas are out of the question.

Mr.Fibbles · 03-21-2009, 12:48 PM

hmm....fascinating... I shall enjoy looking at these games, one of them as old as me.

Also, this would be a fun project for me to look at the source codes (especially of the text adventures)

fast-1 · 03-21-2009, 01:23 PM

That's great Joe all those freeware the best thing to use is Dosbox, hey I prefer Dosbox 63, because in the config you can make the textures better.

# output -- What to use for output: surface,overlay,opengl,openglnb,ddraw.
For instance opengl has better non blocky textures in that version.

MrBlackCat · 03-21-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

...snip...
From this end, it was all me. George would prefer I never mess with this stuff anyway, and other than answering some questions about Kroz game names and whatnot Scott didn't have anything to do with it either. The only involvement George had was when I asked him if I could release AA & Tomb. Beyond that 30 second conversation George didn't have anything to do with it. hahaha.

Very well then... redirect all due credit to you. You (Joe S.) and John Romero really stand out as the gaming industries nostalgic persons... at least in my realm of knowledge. Maybe there are others that are not public and don’t share their nostalgia... unknown to me.
I believe the nostalgic types are really not very common within the gaming industry.

So... without further chatter,
Thank you sir for putting forth the effort, defying George’s preferences, enduring ice, sleet and snow, slaying dragons to get this done.

It is greatly appreciated by thousands I am certain.

Thank you,
MrBlackCat (3D Realms Forums)

Phayzon · 03-21-2009, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Betas are out of the question.

Why is that exactly? After all, we got LameDuke!

Oasiz · 03-22-2009, 04:46 AM

From what I have previously heard on this is that the betas usually required a lock key that made it available to play.
Also I can just imagine all the passworded stuff that everyone would remember even today

Lameduke might be something that had no protection and since it also was way different from the final build, making it easier to release with not "eating" the final version content.

Altough I love any betas to my hearts content (really ready to shell out even $200 for some) most just will remain stuck in a limbo. One big thing also is that most are not limited, meaning that you can give a beta out that has more content than the final version (altough unfinished). People don't have simply the time to prepare special "give away beta" builds just like that.

Just my two cents.

tpz · 03-22-2009, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Pharaoh's Tomb - a CGA based scroller game by George Broussad [ download ]

I had to laugh because of the deliberate reintroduced typo.

Joe Siegler · 03-22-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phayzon

Why is that exactly? After all, we got LameDuke!

Why do you think it's that easy? As was stated, most of our betas had code that would corrupt the game, or delete, or something if a ton of special conditions weren't met. Lameduke was specially prepped.

A lot of our games required things like specific date ranges, environment variables to be set, or hardware dongles. These things can't be removed now, and most of hte passwords we don't even remember ourselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpz

I had to laugh because of the deliberate reintroduced typo.

You know I was going to point that out.

Bad Sector · 03-22-2009, 08:27 PM

A big thank you for the release :-).

I haven't played Monuments of Mars before, but it looks like a nice game now that i tried it :-).

Major kenny · 03-23-2009, 04:05 PM

was this news suppose to excite anyone? Everyone would be happier with a screenshot of DNF, if you have been working on that of course...

DOSGuy · 03-23-2009, 05:23 PM

The only way I would prefer a screenshot of DNF is if it came with a free copy of Pharaoh's Tomb, Arctic Adventure, Monuments of Mars, Dark Ages, and Kroz.

peoplessi · 03-23-2009, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Major kenny

was this news suppose to excite anyone? Everyone would be happier with a screenshot of DNF, if you have been working on that of course...

I guess not? I don't think you can please everyone. What Joe did here is beyond awesome, and begging for DNF media is not really right.

Major kenny · 03-23-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peoplessi

I guess not? I don't think you can please everyone. What Joe did here is beyond awesome, and begging for DNF media is not really right.

But I think it would be correct from 3DRealms to give us some, since fans have been waiting for the game for 11 years!

And I'm sorry, I didn't read the "source code included"!

That's the amazing part! I'll just check the code and gonna do some changes to the games!

Flaose · 03-23-2009, 10:14 PM

George Broussad. I love it!

I think I'm most excited about Dark Ages, just because I thought that it was never going to happen. Having every single discontinued game freeware is a huge step! I can now actually complete my Apogee/3D Realms collection!

Thank you Joe! You rock!

[edit]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

they've all either been released as freeware previously, or are in this batch (except for one, and that might be revived at a future date, hence no freeware release on that one yet)

My memory's going on me. What's the one that hasn't been released? Anyone? Bueller?

[/edit]

Litude · 03-24-2009, 01:19 PM

I think he's talking about Balls of Steel, at least last time I checked it has been out of print for quite some time.

Joe Siegler · 03-24-2009, 01:50 PM

Yeah, Wildfire three times has denied me permission to release BoS as freeware, yet they won't update it to fix the known problems. Oh well.

Phil Carter · 03-24-2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy-vercetti

Maybe you can convince them a little better?

Given that Joe has done just about everything he can to make as many freeware releases as possible, he might need some alternate means of persuasion to clear up the remaining rights issues.

Now, where can we find some teargas...

Telee · 03-24-2009, 05:43 PM

Heh, that explains DNKROZ

03-20-2009, 02:25 PM	#1
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Several old Games released as freeware! When we used to go by our original name of "Apogee Software", this company was involved in a lot of games. Most of them of a different era, they looked different, they felt different, and they were a lot less complicated. The legacy of the company is quite large, and as the years have marched on, a lot of titles from that era have been left behind technically. We started to release some of the old titles for free way back as far as March 1998, when we released some old 80's era Infocom style adventure games such as "Beyond the Titanic" & "Supernova". That was our first foray into the world of freeware releases. As the years went by, we started releasing more and more of our older discontinued games as freeware. A lot of them were released in the "Apogee Legacy" series of interviews from about three years ago. (If you never read that series, you should, there's a lot of good stuff in there). However, we've been getting requests since then about the remaining titles that we no longer sell. Today we're here to bring the freeware releases full circle, so to speak. Today we are releasing five more games as freeware, and re-releasing three others as well! The one game that is most notable in this release group is Kroz. Kroz was our first ever game, it was the one that founded the company, and got everything rolling back in 1987. Hard to believe our first game is 22 years old now, but that's what was built out of Scott Miller's bedroom in Garland, Texas all those years ago. Here is a complete list of what is being released today: Kroz - Our first ever game, a text adventure game by Scott Miller [ download ] Arctic Adventure - a CGA based scroller game by George Broussard [ download ] Dark Ages - an EGA based scroller game by Todd Replogle [ download ] Monuments of Mars - a CGA based scroller by Todd Replogle [ download ] Pharaoh's Tomb - a CGA based scroller game by George Broussad [ download ] We're also re-releasing some previously released freeware games. Beyond the Titanic - Text based Infocom style adventure game by Scott Miller [ download ] Supernova - Text based Infocom style adventure game by Scott Miller [ download ] Word Whiz - A text based trivia game from Scott Miller [ download ] The reason we are re-releasing those is because they're being released with source code (under GPL). These were found when we were doing research into Kroz, which is also being released with source code, too! There were a lot of Kroz games. Seven officially, but many of them had alternate names and variants. There's been a small, but persistant number of requests over the years for the Kroz source code. In the earliest days of the company, we used to actually sell the source code to Kroz (and other titles from that era). We were finally able to make it through the dusty old floppy disk archives in Scott Miller's effects. We found the Kroz source along with the source for these other games, so it's all been GPL'ed, and you can check it all out for free! Kroz has a rather complicated list of games and aliases and whatnot. We strongly suggest reading the readme file that comes with that download. A few notes about these releases: These are all being offered as freeware (which is not to be confused with public domain or the illegal concept of "abandonware"). YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN WITH THESE! Do not contact us for help with them, you will be mercilessly ignored. Given the ages of these things (the newest one came out in 1990), you almost certainly will need DOSBox to get them running. This is a free third party program that lets you run older DOS based games in newer OS's (especially Vista) when they wouldn't be able to otherwise. You can get that at http://www.dosbox.com A huge thanks go out to two fans who helped out a lot with the restoration of the Kroz archives. This would be Frenkel Smeijers & Jeremy Wrezinski. We probably couldn't have been able to put out the release without their help, as some of the materials we no longer had in our archives. Thanks, guys! You can download these releases via the links above, or visit our main downloads page where you can check them out as well as everything else we have available. This bunch of freeware brings our concept of freeware releases to a close. The reason I say that is that of all the games we no longer sell, they've all either been released as freeware previously, or are in this batch (except for one, and that might be revived at a future date, hence no freeware release on that one yet). Unless we discontinue something new in the future, there's no more to come from this well. Make sure and read our games page for a list of freeware, discontinued, and whatnot games. You can also check out our timeline history page for more details as to when what was released. We want to close out by giving you this really cool little extra. It's a flash based version of the "Kingdoms of Kroz II" game. It was put together by the aforementioned Jeremy Wrezinski. It's quite cool, and we spent some time here playing this for real. A big thanks to Jeremy for letting us host it on our site. It originally appeared on his site at this location. Since I can't embed flash in a forum post, you need to go here to play it: http://www.3drealms.com/kroz/index.html __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

03-20-2009, 04:24 PM	#6
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Thing is, I'm out of stuff to release as freeware now. Not unless we discontinue something new in the future. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

03-24-2009, 01:50 PM	#38
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Yeah, Wildfire three times has denied me permission to release BoS as freeware, yet they won't update it to fix the known problems. Oh well. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

03-20-2009, 03:03 PM	#2
dlink	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Nice move from 3drealms this is amazing ! Great stuff and good old freeware games, thanks for doing this ! It's so nice ! Apogee era games here i come :P

03-20-2009, 03:06 PM	#3
ZaphodB	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Has it been mentioned how awesome you guys are?!!?!?! __________________ "If there's ANYTHING larger than my EGO I want it shot and killed right now" - Zaphod Beeblebrox This Public Service Announcement brought to you by: "The People Who Have NO Idea What's Going On" (TPWHNOIWGON) We thank you for ignoring it.

03-20-2009, 03:58 PM	#4
Cyrix	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! is speechless

03-20-2009, 04:22 PM	#5
Dopefish7590	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Wow, not just one game... But 5 games, and 3 re-releases. Amazing stuff Joe!

03-20-2009, 04:30 PM	#7
SonnyBonds	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! This is fantastic! Really awesome thing you're doing releasing all of your discontinued games as freeware, if only more companies would do this! Very cool! __________________ Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. Last edited by SonnyBonds; 03-20-2009 at 04:37 PM.

03-20-2009, 04:48 PM	#8
MJongo	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! I was excited about Kroz, but Dark Ages and Arctic Adventure too?!?! AWESOME! __________________ -Mingy Jongo: Crafty Shaman Impersonator

03-20-2009, 04:58 PM	#9
MrBlackCat	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! This sort of thing really sets Apogee/3D Realms apart from 99% of game companies in my opinion. The forums and interaction, the release of source code and freeware etc really sets Apogee/3D Realms apart in a way I see as under-rated by the majority. To me, this sort of thing is news-worthy. Thank you Apogee/3D Realms, Joe S, George B, Scott M, and the others those involved... and thanks to the key fans that held on to their old data and games. MrBlackCat __________________ YES! I do wear my Duke Xtreme t-shirt every day!* :) (Not really, sometimes I wear my Time to Kill* t-shirt... like while I am washing my other Duke shirts for instance.) :) Last edited by MrBlackCat; 03-20-2009 at 05:00 PM. Reason: Fixing mistakes?

03-20-2009, 05:03 PM	#11
MJongo	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Wow, didn't even see Pharoah's Tomb! I'm so excited, never played the registered version before! __________________ -Mingy Jongo: Crafty Shaman Impersonator

03-20-2009, 08:39 PM	#12
peoplessi	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Joe Siegler, a big thanks, truly appreciated! __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

03-20-2009, 09:17 PM	#13
Crosma	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Woo. Nice. You could always release the source for these games, right? You still have the source for Monuments of Mars, right? __________________ (define love (lambda () (map conquer all)))

03-20-2009, 09:56 PM	#14
Dopefish7590	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! The source is included with the releases. Last edited by Dopefish7590; 03-21-2009 at 12:32 AM. Reason: Misread the post I responded to.

03-21-2009, 04:57 AM	#17
Nukkus	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! What a beautiful load of classics!

03-21-2009, 08:09 AM	#18
cyborg	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! SAUCE!!! My weekend has just been cleared. __________________ You lose.

03-21-2009, 09:12 AM	#19
JobivanHiob	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! these games were before my time of a gamer...but seeing all the fans excited, let me want to look into these games for the first time! And Cudos to the Siegler of course! __________________ Stay up to date with http://dukewatch.blogspot.com for the UNEXPECTED and PREPARE YOURSELF for SHOCK and AWESOME on Penny Arcade EXPO from September 3-5! Onebullit: "If DNF comes out in 2010 i will buy 2 copies and send you one." pjVgt regading DNF at PAX:"I would seriously shit my pants and pre-order three copies - one will be sent to Jobi"

03-21-2009, 09:14 AM	#20
hightreason	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Very awesome. Thanks Joe. __________________ High Treason (My Website) (Second Site) (My YouTube) Punk's not dead - and nor is Duke! Ever get the feeling you are being ignored?

03-21-2009, 09:42 AM	#21
MusicallyInspired	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Regarding Arctic Adventure and what George had to say about it, I must be one of those six people because I absolutely ADORED Arctic Adventure. I have never beaten the first shareware episode, but now with all 3 I have new motivation to finally see it through to completion! Thank you, Joe and George! __________________ Roland SC-55 Music Packs Website - MediaFire mirror for Duke3D expansions More SC-55 music packs coming soon...

03-21-2009, 12:48 PM	#24
Mr.Fibbles	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! hmm....fascinating... I shall enjoy looking at these games, one of them as old as me. Also, this would be a fun project for me to look at the source codes (especially of the text adventures) __________________ http://thaunandshad.com

03-21-2009, 01:23 PM	#25
fast-1	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! That's great Joe all those freeware the best thing to use is Dosbox, hey I prefer Dosbox 63, because in the config you can make the textures better. # output -- What to use for output: surface,overlay,opengl,openglnb,ddraw. For instance opengl has better non blocky textures in that version.

03-22-2009, 04:46 AM	#28
Oasiz	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! From what I have previously heard on this is that the betas usually required a lock key that made it available to play. Also I can just imagine all the passworded stuff that everyone would remember even today Lameduke might be something that had no protection and since it also was way different from the final build, making it easier to release with not "eating" the final version content. Altough I love any betas to my hearts content (really ready to shell out even $200 for some) most just will remain stuck in a limbo. One big thing also is that most are not limited, meaning that you can give a beta out that has more content than the final version (altough unfinished). People don't have simply the time to prepare special "give away beta" builds just like that. Just my two cents.

03-22-2009, 08:27 PM	#31
Bad Sector	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! A big thank you for the release :-). I haven't played Monuments of Mars before, but it looks like a nice game now that i tried it :-).

03-23-2009, 04:05 PM	#32
Major kenny	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! was this news suppose to excite anyone? Everyone would be happier with a screenshot of DNF, if you have been working on that of course...

03-23-2009, 05:23 PM	#33
DOSGuy	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! The only way I would prefer a screenshot of DNF is if it came with a free copy of Pharaoh's Tomb, Arctic Adventure, Monuments of Mars, Dark Ages, and Kroz. __________________ "Today entirely the maniac there is no excuse with the article." Get free DOS games at www.classicdosgames.com

03-24-2009, 01:19 PM	#37
Litude	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! I think he's talking about Balls of Steel, at least last time I checked it has been out of print for quite some time.

03-24-2009, 05:43 PM	#40
Telee	Re: Several old Games released as freeware! Heh, that explains DNKROZ