What you think it will happen in court ?

[Antosa]

Originally Posted by mbutterman

30 million? Hmm, I really don't see it as a money issue as much as a breach of contract.

Even if 3DR was to prevail, how could they possibly finish it after the staff cuts. I not totally opposed to 3DR keeping the game but how many setbacks would it suffer as a result. I need something to validate my faith in 3DR and "when it's done" doesn't promote any faith at all. T2 hasn't violated my sensibilities so far. It comes down to credibility. If 3DR can make this work then by all means prove me wrong but until that time, I have no faith in them to do what is best for the customer. Without customers, 3DR would not exist.

It's true, it's very true.

[prophecy holder]

Originally Posted by mbutterman

30 million? Hmm, I really don't see it as a money issue as much as a breach of contract.

Even if 3DR was to prevail, how could they possibly finish it after the staff cuts. I not totally opposed to 3DR keeping the game but how many setbacks would it suffer as a result. I need something to validate my faith in 3DR and "when it's done" doesn't promote any faith at all. T2 hasn't violated my sensibilities so far. It comes down to credibility. If 3DR can make this work then by all means prove me wrong but until that time, I have no faith in them to do what is best for the customer. Without customers, 3DR would not exist.

They'll just drop it off at another developer like they did Prey, but hopefully it wont be a overhyped turd like Prey turned out to be.

[Wamplet]

Originally Posted by mbutterman

I have no faith in them to do what is best for the customer. Without customers, 3DR would not exist.

Rule number one of capitalism:

Do not do what is best for the customer. Do what is best for the company.

If companies did what was best for the customer, they would go out of business.


Wait...

[predl]

are there any new court docs?

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by Wamplet

Rule number one of capitalism:

Do not do what is best for the customer. Do what is best for the company.

If companies did what was best for the customer, they would go out of business.


Wait...

Oh, nice.

[Rapture_Rising]

I cant find anywhere in the official court documents that T2 wants the Duke Nukem IP and i think that they only want the rights to DNF so they can finish the game and move on.

So it might be a good thing that T2 could take over development of DNF because we all know that under 3DR DNF will always be stuck in development hell.

Anyway T2 seems to be good at the video game business by having two of the biggest known studios under their belt - Rockstar Games with Grand theft Auto and Max Payne francises and 2K games with Bioshock.

[the professional]

I would be shocked if this doesn't settle. It's not in either party's interest to wait for a trial, because each day that goes by, the game loses value by becoming outdated and further delayed. Even if they got a trial within the next year, by the time a judgment is rendered, the game would be even ooooolder.

But who knows, obviously there are idiots on at least one side of this battle, because only an idiot would litigate while a game is in production given the time sensitive nature of the business.

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by the professional

I would be shocked if this doesn't settle. It's not in either party's interest to wait for a trial, because each day that goes by, the game loses value by becoming outdated and further delayed.

Well, i disagree... Take Two is more interested in grabbing the "Duke" IP than releasing DNF. Let's not forget that it's not Take Two who spent 20 million dollars on the game...!!!

[mbutterman]

Hmm settlement? I was listening to a video post in google and he had an interesting observation. Because the game has been development for over 10 years, people have forgotten about DNF and is considered vaporware. So what is the true value of something that doesn't exist? DNF is in development so one day it might be a viable product but after 12+ years of this people simply don't care and they have moved on to companies that have far more predictable development and release cycles for their products. The gaming world has never stopped turning and 3DR has fallen behind the times.

Settlement would only serve 3DR because I can't imagine the financial impact on 3DR if they were to lose the trial. The only settlement I would accept is that if 3DR hands over the code to DNF for the remaining development, then me (T2) would drop the lawsuit and consider and monies paid into 3DR as a wash.

3DR is a dying company and because of it's rude and insensitive treatment of it's customers, this is a sin that will probably find very little forgiveness for them.The very worse you can do is to forsake the customers that buy your products. It is their loyalty and money that maintains the company. Without that, you have no company.

[Ironside]

Originally Posted by Drazula

#666 GB's recent a$$hole transplant rejects him, and walks out the door. Everyone sees GB is back to normal and ready to complete DNF.

Back to normal? GB normally dont do shit except sit on his ass and gamble with his employees lives.

[Monkey Butler]

Originally Posted by mbutterman

So what is the true value of something that doesn't exist?

Its value is exactly the same as something that does exist: whatever someone's willing to pay. If T2 believe they can make the IP profitable and are willing to take it from 3DR in lieu of however many millions of dollars, then that's what the IP is worth.

Originally Posted by Ironside

gamble with his employees lives.

"Next up on ESPN: EXTREME Poker".

[fast-1]

Is this case about not getting a game from 3DR or Take 2 wanting money back from nowhere.

Case dissmissed.

[mbutterman]

I think T2 needs to sharpen it's expectations. Right now I think we are in the mudslinging stage where each company wants to find the dirt on the other company in an attempt to sway a court to render a decision in their favor.

Do they want the incomplete code of DNF or the money invested in it. I think they need to chose one or the other but not both.

I have to disagree. The game in its incomplete state is worth nothing to the consumer. Game shots and trailers isn't a game. When I see a beta in testing then it graduates from vaporware. I get so sick and tired of 3DR dangling the DNF carrot in front me. My guess there is a lot of people who might feel the same way. After 12 years of empty promises and blatant disrespect to it's patrons, People have turned away the carrot in favor of better meals from more mature and predictable companies to feed their gaming hunger.

DNF has no value until it can be developed, packaged and sold. It only has potential value and that doesn't pay the bills.

[crunchy superman]

I don't know that it will have any value if it gets finished anyway, save the novelty factor - ala Big Rigs.

[Onebullit]

Originally Posted by crunchy superman

I don't know that it will have any value if it gets finished anyway, save the novelty factor - ala Big Rigs.

Maybe its time for LWF (Lo Wang Forever)

[Suppressor1]

We are here and talking about... NOTHING!

[mbutterman]

If nothing assumes i have nothing better to do then analyze the DNF situation, then you would be incorrect. I don't have the time to sit at my machine to answer every little challenge but I don't mind commenting from time to time.

I think part of it is ridiculous because you figure common sense would prevail. 3DR just announced a movie based in the duke nukem franchise. At that point it became much clearer. By conceding to T2, they could compromise further extensions of the franchise.

By releasing bit and pieces of DNF then it keeps us wondering about it. Even if it was bad press, it still is press and it keeps people remembering 3DR. I've decided that this is no longer a productive activity.

Anybody that has a somewhat well adjusted life should just decide to boycott 3DR and leave the forums. This is social engineering at its worse and I will no longer invest in such manipulation by 3DR.

If it comes out, I will not buy it. I don't care "when it's done" I have better things to spend my money and time in.

[ReadOnly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ixwmlBVsw

[Kray]

I would like to see 3DR sell the Duke IP to TT. If the IP stays with 3DR its dead. 3DR's incompetence is staggering, I wonder if they ever have moments of clarity when they realize this? Whenever they get sued they are always like were victims /whine, not this time 3DR.

GB please just sell the Duke IP and go live in seclusion where you can play WoW 24/7. Don't worry about quality with other developers you have been out sourcing games for years. The fans just want a new Duke fps. Mark my words if 3DR keeps the Duke IP we will never see a new Duke fps in our life times developed in-house, you heard it hear first.

[crunchy superman]

Originally Posted by Kray

if 3DR keeps the Duke IP we will never see a new Duke fps in our life times developed in-house, you heard it hear first.

First? They already told us they're out of the in-house developing business.