The Apogee Legacy Interview Series - Page 2

Joe Siegler · 01-16-2006, 03:33 PM

I'd have to ask Scott about that, I don't know.

Micki! · 01-16-2006, 03:41 PM

Please ask him if you care...
I'm really curious...
(i just find the way doing this is quite funny...)

Maybe Scott did other similar methods to get peoples attention..?!

Joe Siegler · 01-16-2006, 04:20 PM

BTW, when I posted Keith's interview, I ran it through the spellchecker before I did that. Check out these amusing suggestions for "Paganitzu".

Micki! · 01-16-2006, 04:22 PM

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Joe3DR said:
BTW, when I posted Keith's interview, I ran it through the spellchecker before I did that. Check out these amusing suggestions for "Paganitzu".

"pageants" like "page" and "ants"..!?
What the heck does that mean..?

Insects eating your article..!?

ZuljinRaynor · 01-16-2006, 04:30 PM

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Joe3DR said:
aNukem

Ras · 01-16-2006, 05:04 PM

It's a contest, like the Miss America Pageant.

Frenkel · 01-16-2006, 05:52 PM

I didn't get mentioned in this one

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jamessnee1 · 01-16-2006, 11:18 PM

Id personally like to see an interview from the guys who did Blake Stone (Mike Maynard, James T. Row etc)
would be interesting to hear what happened behind the scenes of that game!

Travis · 01-17-2006, 12:58 AM

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jamessnee1 said:
Id personally like to see an interview from the guys who did Blake Stone (Mike Maynard, James T. Row etc)
would be interesting to hear what happened behind the scenes of that game!

It seems we have matching avatars.
And yes, I'd be interested in that too.

Bludd · 01-17-2006, 11:56 AM

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Joe3DR said:
So without further adieu, we bring you the tallest developer in our history, Keith Schuler...

Adieu is a farewell. The word you want to use instead is "ado" which means fuss, bother, bustle, trouble.

Going to read the rest of the piece now.

Eddy Willson · 01-18-2006, 01:22 AM

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Bludd said:

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Joe3DR said:
So without further adieu, we bring you the tallest developer in our history, Keith Schuler...

Adieu is a farewell. The word you want to use instead is "ado" which means fuss, bother, bustle, trouble.

Heh, I noticed that!

shiranui · 01-18-2006, 06:27 PM

Great stuff, as usual. Thanks, Joe.

Can't wait for the, inevitable, Todd Replogle interview.

pjohnsonjr · 01-18-2006, 10:15 PM

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shiranui said:
Great stuff, as usual. Thanks, Joe.

Can't wait for the, inevitable, Todd Replogle interview.

That makes two

o/

Joe Siegler · 01-18-2006, 11:46 PM

That's assuming we can even find Todd. Todd's a hermit, and lives in a shack in the backwoods of Oregon somewhere last I heard.

When I started this, he was on my list, but no one has talked to him in ages.

Kalki · 01-19-2006, 07:29 AM

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Joe3DR said:
That's assuming we can even find Todd. Todd's a hermit, and lives in a shack in the backwoods of Oregon somewhere last I heard.

Whenever somebody brings this up my mind flashes to Office Space for some reason. Hey if he had a working experience similar to the movie, the interview would be very interesting, huh?

This interview with Keith told me some new stuff except what I most wanted to know- How tall is he?

Joe Siegler · 01-19-2006, 09:17 AM

I haven't gone over and measured him, but if I had to ask, I'd say about 6-6 or 6-7.

No, actually Todd was nothing like the Stapler guy in Office Space. Left on very good terms. He just had enough, and wanted out. Given how much $ he'd made, I can't say I blame him. Would like to see him again, he was a good friend - just to say hi, and shoot the shit for awhile.

Kalki · 01-20-2006, 12:23 AM

Not the stapler guy, although he did get rich. I was referring to the lead hero character who ends up being set free and in the romantic last scene, works a shovel in construction and thus attains his bliss. Only in Todd's case it was a backhoe iirc. Wonder what he's up to now?

Joe Siegler · 01-20-2006, 12:29 AM

Don't know. Even if we did find Todd, he's likely to say nothing more than "It was all cool", and that's it.

I did make contact with one of the guys on my "can't find them" list today, and he agreed. So that's cool.

Darth Darthy · 01-20-2006, 05:08 PM

My compliments to all who are involved in this! Nice to hear about the people behind some of my favourite games.

jamessnee1 · 01-20-2006, 06:49 PM

another interview I'd really like to see is one with Bobby Prince, I mean hes done virtually all the music for the games but nothing is really known about him...

Joe Siegler · 01-23-2006, 12:40 PM

Today we bring you the third in our "Apogee Legacy" Interview series. This week we speak with Karen Crowther (now known as Karen Chun), the author of the only two educational games in our product line. These are Word Rescue, and Math Rescue, both released in 1992. These are the only titles in our line she was involved with directly, but she's been a friend to the company for awhile now. Additionally, she's the only female lead game designer we've had. We've had other women work for us, or on our titles, but she's the only lead designer we've ever had.

So without further delay, we take you to Hawaii for our interview with Karen...

<br clear="left">
<div align="center">
<font size="4" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">The Apogee Legacy</font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">Past Pioneers of the Shareware Revolution

Issue #3 - Karen Crowther-Chun</font>
</div>

1) How did you first come in contact with Apogee?

I was a fanatic Commander Keen and Duke Nukem (sidescroller) player. I love those games and still think they're the best. (And I really miss Tom Hall and his wacky sense of humor...hey, Tom, you need to visit me in Maui!!!)

Dang! My mind is going...I know Scott and I were involved in a lot of political stuff (fighting off government regulation of computer games etc. with Diana Gruber and Rosemary West - hammering out the role of shareware and making sure the authors didn't get ripped off by the retail publishers) but I think that came later.

Read the rest:

http://www.3drealms.com/news/2006/01...ee_lega_1.html

Eddy Willson · 01-23-2006, 01:11 PM

Cheers Joe, these weekly installments are becomming a highlight of my Monday

Frenkel · 01-23-2006, 01:34 PM

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Joe3DR said:
This week we speak with Karen Crowther (now known as Karen Chun), the author of the only two educational games in our product line.

Isn't Word Whiz also an educational game? Or is that a Softdisk game?

Joe Siegler · 01-23-2006, 01:41 PM

That's just a trivia game, I don't think it was ever intentionally classified as an educational game. And it was sold as an Apogee title.

Kalki · 01-23-2006, 01:43 PM

Very nice! I didn't know anything about her and found this insightful. She complimented all you guys(Scott, Todd, GB, Joe) and she's a grandmother. That's cool!

Joe Siegler · 01-23-2006, 01:45 PM

Unfortunately, I could only find that one picture of her. The only other one I found was from 1992, but was too small to use.

Kalki · 01-23-2006, 01:57 PM

You could always post it here. I'm sure there are folks here who would like that!

Joe Siegler · 01-23-2006, 01:59 PM

I don't think you understand. The picture is too small to post online, otherwise I would have used it.

The one of Keith I posted in his interview where he's looking like Indiana Jones is about the same size - his is blown up about 500%, so it looks bad.

Micki! · 01-23-2006, 02:00 PM

Cool...
I didn't know she was the one who created that game (Math Rescue)... I played that game alot on my old school (1998) becasue they had some old PC's with various Apogee games on them, unfortunately this is the only i remember of them...

I remember one of my old classmates got Quake 1 for our "new" PC later... Which ran 1998...

Anyways, she deserves a bunch of "thanks" from me, since i got to know about Apogee from those games... (later again, 3DR, but that's another story)

Kristian Joensen · 01-23-2006, 02:09 PM

As always Joe, this was great read. You guys got some very nice compliments and she is right, Scott IS a marketing genious.

Joe Siegler · 01-23-2006, 02:29 PM

I managed to get the picture in a shape that it's somewhat viewable, I updated the article with it.

pjohnsonjr · 01-23-2006, 02:46 PM

DELORTED!

Joe Siegler · 01-23-2006, 02:48 PM

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Joe3DR said:
Please don't get into "who am I going to interview" and guess everyone from our past. There's gotta be some sort of surprise here as to who we're using.

laffer · 01-23-2006, 03:00 PM

Those two games are some of the very few Apogee games that I haven't really played at all (I never liked educational stuff, even (well, especially!) when I was little). Anyway, it was still quite interesting.. but I'm pretty sure the following ones will be more interesting for me than this was (like the two previous ones which I liked better).

Btw, she's lucky to live there! Argh, I hate the cold

shiranui · 01-24-2006, 07:22 PM

Another wicked interview, and a great success story too.
I remember Word and Math rescue well. I got them for my little sister, but I had fun playing them as well.

I like the way she gave props to Mr. Replogle

Todd is the MAN. Someone has to track him down, as I'm sure he would be a great interview. When he was on here a few years ago, he was always very cordial.

Anyway, keep up the good work, Joe, this is a great series!

ultra tree 85! · 01-24-2006, 07:36 PM

Nice update.

I'll have to try those games.

Joe Siegler · 01-24-2006, 09:02 PM

I won't say who, but I just got two more interviews back from former developers today. The series looks like it will be going for quite awhile now.

Scott mentioned wanting to have 30 folks in the series over on his blog, but I don't think we'll be able to pull off that many. Course Scott could twist some arms.

pjohnsonjr · 01-24-2006, 09:10 PM

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Joe3DR said:
I won't say who, but I just got two more interviews back from former developers today. The series looks like it will be going for quite awhile now.

Scott mentioned wanting to have 30 folks in the series over on his blog, but I don't think we'll be able to pull off that many. Course Scott could twist some arms.

I think it could, but it'd be alot of work just to network some of the guys you said haven't been in touch for some years now.

Though after mentioning Scott twisting arms, I have this whole mafia scene playing out in my head. It's quite humorous.

Joe Siegler · 01-30-2006, 12:09 PM

Today our "Apogee Legacy" Interview series continues with its fourth edition, this time with Tom Hall, a core figure in the early days (and more) of our company. Tom was a founding member of id Software, working with them and us on Commander Keen & Wolfenstein 3D. He later joined Apogee, and was the project lead on Rise of the Triad, as well as having his hands in several titles doing work for them ranging from Hocus Pocus, Duke Nukem II, and Duke Nukem 3D. Additionally, he was the original project lead on Prey when it was in it's original incarnation.

Since his time here, he's worked at Ion Storm, Monkeystone, Midway, & now KingsIsle. Tom has a huge connection with us and our past, so we're sure you're eager to hear what he has to say...

<div align="center">
<font size="4" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">The Apogee Legacy</font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">Past Pioneers of the Shareware Revolution

Issue #4 - Tom Hall</font>
</div>

1) How did you first come in contact with Apogee?

Scott Miller had been trying to hire John Romero from his old days as a contributor to Uptime (an old monthly software magazine on disk), then he'd been getting fan mail from various people which he hung up. Then he noticed they were all coming from the same address! Both amused and angered, John wrote a strongly-worded letter back, only to find out it was Scott wanting to publish something.

Carmack and I had stayed up late one night making a funny joke demo of Super Mario Bros 3 and putting it on Romero's desk in the morning. This lead to a demo for Nintendo, which got to the head table but was rejected, so we decided to do our own thing. I went off to my office and in 15 minutes came up with the story of Commander Keen, which Scott was dying to publish, and so he did!

http://www.3drealms.com/news/2006/01...ee_lega_2.html

Kristian Joensen · 01-30-2006, 12:15 PM

That was a great read Joe, as usual.

01-16-2006, 03:33 PM	#41
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series I'd have to ask Scott about that, I don't know. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-18-2006, 11:46 PM	#54
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series That's assuming we can even find Todd. Todd's a hermit, and lives in a shack in the backwoods of Oregon somewhere last I heard. When I started this, he was on my list, but no one has talked to him in ages. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-19-2006, 09:17 AM	#56
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series I haven't gone over and measured him, but if I had to ask, I'd say about 6-6 or 6-7. No, actually Todd was nothing like the Stapler guy in Office Space. Left on very good terms. He just had enough, and wanted out. Given how much $ he'd made, I can't say I blame him. Would like to see him again, he was a good friend - just to say hi, and shoot the shit for awhile. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-20-2006, 12:29 AM	#58
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Don't know. Even if we did find Todd, he's likely to say nothing more than "It was all cool", and that's it. I did make contact with one of the guys on my "can't find them" list today, and he agreed. So that's cool. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-23-2006, 12:40 PM	#61
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Today we bring you the third in our "Apogee Legacy" Interview series. This week we speak with Karen Crowther (now known as Karen Chun), the author of the only two educational games in our product line. These are Word Rescue, and Math Rescue, both released in 1992. These are the only titles in our line she was involved with directly, but she's been a friend to the company for awhile now. Additionally, she's the only female lead game designer we've had. We've had other women work for us, or on our titles, but she's the only lead designer we've ever had. So without further delay, we take you to Hawaii for our interview with Karen... <br clear="left"> <div align="center"> <font size="4" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">The Apogee Legacy</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">Past Pioneers of the Shareware Revolution Issue #3 - Karen Crowther-Chun</font> </div> 1) How did you first come in contact with Apogee? I was a fanatic Commander Keen and Duke Nukem (sidescroller) player. I love those games and still think they're the best. (And I really miss Tom Hall and his wacky sense of humor...hey, Tom, you need to visit me in Maui!!!) Dang! My mind is going...I know Scott and I were involved in a lot of political stuff (fighting off government regulation of computer games etc. with Diana Gruber and Rosemary West - hammering out the role of shareware and making sure the authors didn't get ripped off by the retail publishers) but I think that came later. Read the rest: http://www.3drealms.com/news/2006/01...ee_lega_1.html __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-16-2006, 03:41 PM	#42
Micki!	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Please ask him if you care... I'm really curious... (i just find the way doing this is quite funny...) Maybe Scott did other similar methods to get peoples attention..?! __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

01-16-2006, 05:04 PM	#46
Ras	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series It's a contest, like the Miss America Pageant.

01-16-2006, 05:52 PM	#47
Frenkel	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series I didn't get mentioned in this one . __________________ Groeten van Frenkel Visit us at the Official S&F Prod. Homepage

01-16-2006, 11:18 PM	#48
jamessnee1	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Id personally like to see an interview from the guys who did Blake Stone (Mike Maynard, James T. Row etc) would be interesting to hear what happened behind the scenes of that game!

01-18-2006, 06:27 PM	#52
shiranui	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Great stuff, as usual. Thanks, Joe. Can't wait for the, inevitable, Todd Replogle interview. __________________ wibble

01-20-2006, 12:23 AM	#57
Kalki	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Not the stapler guy, although he did get rich. I was referring to the lead hero character who ends up being set free and in the romantic last scene, works a shovel in construction and thus attains his bliss. Only in Todd's case it was a backhoe iirc. Wonder what he's up to now? __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

01-20-2006, 05:08 PM	#59
Darth Darthy	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series My compliments to all who are involved in this! Nice to hear about the people behind some of my favourite games.

01-20-2006, 06:49 PM	#60
jamessnee1	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series another interview I'd really like to see is one with Bobby Prince, I mean hes done virtually all the music for the games but nothing is really known about him...

01-23-2006, 01:11 PM	#62
Eddy Willson	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Cheers Joe, these weekly installments are becomming a highlight of my Monday __________________ YOU.HAVE.GOT.TO.BE.KISSING.ME - Ivan If i was a preteen id probably love you too - Fat John AcornArcade --------------- The Icon Bar

01-23-2006, 01:41 PM	#64
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series That's just a trivia game, I don't think it was ever intentionally classified as an educational game. And it was sold as an Apogee title. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-23-2006, 01:43 PM	#65
Kalki	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Very nice! I didn't know anything about her and found this insightful. She complimented all you guys(Scott, Todd, GB, Joe) and she's a grandmother. That's cool! __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

01-23-2006, 01:45 PM	#66
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Unfortunately, I could only find that one picture of her. The only other one I found was from 1992, but was too small to use. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-23-2006, 01:57 PM	#67
Kalki	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series You could always post it here. I'm sure there are folks here who would like that! __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

01-23-2006, 01:59 PM	#68
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series I don't think you understand. The picture is too small to post online, otherwise I would have used it. The one of Keith I posted in his interview where he's looking like Indiana Jones is about the same size - his is blown up about 500%, so it looks bad. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-23-2006, 02:00 PM	#69
Micki!	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Cool... I didn't know she was the one who created that game (Math Rescue)... I played that game alot on my old school (1998) becasue they had some old PC's with various Apogee games on them, unfortunately this is the only i remember of them... I remember one of my old classmates got Quake 1 for our "new" PC later... Which ran 1998... Anyways, she deserves a bunch of "thanks" from me, since i got to know about Apogee from those games... (later again, 3DR, but that's another story) __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

01-23-2006, 02:09 PM	#70
Kristian Joensen	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series As always Joe, this was great read. You guys got some very nice compliments and she is right, Scott IS a marketing genious. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

01-23-2006, 02:29 PM	#71
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series I managed to get the picture in a shape that it's somewhat viewable, I updated the article with it. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-23-2006, 02:46 PM	#72
pjohnsonjr	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series DELORTED! __________________ Fear ~~Alexander~~ Carrot Top the Great!

01-23-2006, 03:00 PM	#74
laffer	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Those two games are some of the very few Apogee games that I haven't really played at all (I never liked educational stuff, even (well, especially!) when I was little). Anyway, it was still quite interesting.. but I'm pretty sure the following ones will be more interesting for me than this was (like the two previous ones which I liked better). Btw, she's lucky to live there! Argh, I hate the cold

01-24-2006, 07:22 PM	#75
shiranui	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Another wicked interview, and a great success story too. I remember Word and Math rescue well. I got them for my little sister, but I had fun playing them as well. I like the way she gave props to Mr. Replogle Todd is the MAN. Someone has to track him down, as I'm sure he would be a great interview. When he was on here a few years ago, he was always very cordial. Anyway, keep up the good work, Joe, this is a great series! __________________ wibble

01-24-2006, 07:36 PM	#76
ultra tree 85!	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Nice update. I'll have to try those games. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever will be released in 2010. The community will realize its dream of playing the greatest game of all time. :)

01-24-2006, 09:02 PM	#77
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series I won't say who, but I just got two more interviews back from former developers today. The series looks like it will be going for quite awhile now. Scott mentioned wanting to have 30 folks in the series over on his blog, but I don't think we'll be able to pull off that many. Course Scott could twist some arms. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-30-2006, 12:09 PM	#79
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series Today our "Apogee Legacy" Interview series continues with its fourth edition, this time with Tom Hall, a core figure in the early days (and more) of our company. Tom was a founding member of id Software, working with them and us on Commander Keen & Wolfenstein 3D. He later joined Apogee, and was the project lead on Rise of the Triad, as well as having his hands in several titles doing work for them ranging from Hocus Pocus, Duke Nukem II, and Duke Nukem 3D. Additionally, he was the original project lead on Prey when it was in it's original incarnation. Since his time here, he's worked at Ion Storm, Monkeystone, Midway, & now KingsIsle. Tom has a huge connection with us and our past, so we're sure you're eager to hear what he has to say... <div align="center"> <font size="4" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">The Apogee Legacy</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana,Arial" color="#ffffff">Past Pioneers of the Shareware Revolution Issue #4 - Tom Hall</font> </div> 1) How did you first come in contact with Apogee? Scott Miller had been trying to hire John Romero from his old days as a contributor to Uptime (an old monthly software magazine on disk), then he'd been getting fan mail from various people which he hung up. Then he noticed they were all coming from the same address! Both amused and angered, John wrote a strongly-worded letter back, only to find out it was Scott wanting to publish something. Carmack and I had stayed up late one night making a funny joke demo of Super Mario Bros 3 and putting it on Romero's desk in the morning. This lead to a demo for Nintendo, which got to the head table but was rejected, so we decided to do our own thing. I went off to my office and in 15 minutes came up with the story of Commander Keen, which Scott was dying to publish, and so he did! http://www.3drealms.com/news/2006/01...ee_lega_2.html __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

01-30-2006, 12:15 PM	#80
Kristian Joensen	Re: The Apogee Legacy Interview Series That was a great read Joe, as usual. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)