[MP2] Crap ending!

[talkred5000]

if you finish the game on the hardest dificulty setting you get a better ending where mona lives

[Dunedain]

I just finished Max Payne II on the "Dead on Arrival" difficulty setting. And I'm very happy
to see that Mona is alive at the end of the story! Max deserves it, after the hellish
nightmare he's been through.

This is the true ending of the game for those that go to the
effort to see it.

[Thriller]

talkred5000 said:
if you finish the game on the hardest dificulty setting you get a better ending where mona lives

Didnt know that!

[Tedades]

I played it 3 times to see that, its nice but I didn't try it again. I played 2 times because of the shutterglasses.
So 1st time was regular, 2nd with shutterglasses, 3th with shutterglasses installed correctly seeing actual 3D stuff.

I do think its a nice ending, but the ending of MP1 was more spectacular IMO.

[Sayantan]

Both endings are good in it's own respective way.

^ That said.

[Gatinater]

I thought Max Payne 2 Totally sucked. I just replayed it about a week ago and yeah it totally sucks.

Graphics are much better, but that's the only good. I guess Remedy wanted to extinguish everything the players liked and new about Max Payne by destroying the intrigue of the first and make playing it seem like a complete waste of time.

Plus they took away the gritty noir atmosphere that make the original. Vinnie was a total a scumbag, but in the second they turn him into some silly good fella side show.

It's the classic case of taking a good story and ****ing it up. Vlad was supposed to be one of the good guys. As they say Old school gangsters. The only people they ever killed were other gangsters that deserved to die.

In my opinion all credibility is lost. They trainwrecked the story beyond repair. They might as well hire Chuck Norris to write 3.

Max Payne 3: From noir to whore.

I hate alternate endings. I only want to play a game once. I don't want to play every mode to see an alternate endings.

[ADM]

Well as usual Gatinater I disagree with every point you make. I felt Max Payne 2 was definitely a lot better than the first, in every single way.

Arrg, I aggree... MP2 had better graphics, but I thaught the game play was alittle lacking and alittle too hard and confusing in some spots. I like to go through and shoot stuff up, not think... HAHAA

[Sang]

Completed the game for the first time a few days back - The final bossfight disappointed me to the max. It took, what, 3 bullets? Vlad must've been pretty dumb, to face a guy who once shot his way through a maximum security complex, killed the big bad evil Nicole Horne... without wearing body armor (Vlad).

I mean come on. "Ok, you may have killed like half my cleaner army haha but I can kill you without body armor".

And then you kill him with 3 bullets. Disappointing The rest of the game was great though, just a little short. Here's hoping MP3 (if it'll ever be there) will be twice as long.

[Little Conqueror]

I don't think Boss Fights have to be climactic (sp). The satisfaction I got out of effortlessly putting that Russian SOB's lights out for good outweighed the disappointment of an easy fight.

[Jetsetlemming]

The only things MP2 has on MP1 are physics, graphics, and weapon balance (and bullet speed, kinda minor thing, but IMO the bullets in MP1 travelled just a smidge too slow. Really annoying going into bullet time, shooting at a running enemy, and seeing the bullets hit 3 seconds later the wall behind the guy because he took a couple steps forward). Oh, and MP2's locations felt a bit more... realistic, and less picked for good action-y locations (a couple MP1 locations, like the steel mill, and the exploding restuarant, seemed to be there only for the level dynamic, with their connection to the story minimal at best). However, MP1's level design was way better anyway.
Plus, MP2 somehow brought all the Inner Circle back to life, when in MP1 they were all gunned to death in part 3. O_o I can't imagine it's that easy to replace the secret masters of the world, and yet Woden and Vlad get to duke it out by killing off each other's allies in the Inner Circle. Apparently, the Inner Circle has a higher member turnover than the cleaners and the italian mob combined.
So yeah, I would say MP1's got the definite edge, except that playing with the Havok physics in MP2 is undeniably fun.

[Dunedain]

I think both games are great. One thing that definitely hurts in Max Payne II is that Max doesn't look like Max. It's like all of a sudden he looks totally different. They should have left Sam Lake in the sequel, as he is the real Max Payne. You can thank Rockstar's interference for that nonsense. It's not Remedy's fault. That's why I played the game with the fan-made Sam Lake face mod, so Max would look like himself when actually playing the game (obviously there's no way to correct the cut-scenes without altering them directly, and no one has done that yet).

I really like the fact that you get to see the real ending of the game if you can reach the end on the hardest level of difficulty. It was just too depressing seeing poor Max have to suffer so unrelentingly. He deserves the happy ending that he gets at the true end of the game.

I'm looking forward to Max Payne III, which has to be being worked on, Rockstar wouldn't buy the rights to the game if they weren't going to make sequels. But without Remedy making the game, I'm very concerned if it will be done right. I guess we'll find out pretty soon, we should be hearing word about Max Payne III within the next 6 months to a year, I'm guessing.

[Coolgamer]

I refuse to accept Max Payne 2 as canon. Vlad is not a backstabbing bastard. Vinnie is still alive. Max continues to fight the Hornes of the world.

[Coolgamer]

Originally Posted by Dunedain

I think both games are great. One thing that definitely hurts in Max Payne II is that Max doesn't look like Max. It's like all of a sudden he looks totally different. They should have left Sam Lake in the sequel, as he is the real Max Payne. You can thank Rockstar's interference for that nonsense. It's not Remedy's fault. That's why I played the game with the fan-made Sam Lake face mod, so Max would look like himself when actually playing the game (obviously there's no way to correct the cut-scenes without altering them directly, and no one has done that yet).

I really like the fact that you get to see the real ending of the game if you can reach the end on the hardest level of difficulty. It was just too depressing seeing poor Max have to suffer so unrelentingly. He deserves the happy ending that he gets at the true end of the game.

I'm looking forward to Max Payne III, which has to be being worked on, Rockstar wouldn't buy the rights to the game if they weren't going to make sequels. But without Remedy making the game, I'm very concerned if it will be done right. I guess we'll find out pretty soon, we should be hearing word about Max Payne III within the next 6 months to a year, I'm guessing.

I need a link to that mod. I had it but lost it.

[Over-Kill]

First, Max Payne I was perfect. I honor Remedy for that, my whole life. But I must agree, Max Payne II left me cold. They showed parts of the end before you even got playing. That was a big "-". Also, he always whined about his failure in love. The game was short, so he managed to whine during the whole game. He didn't whine when his family got killed. Instead, he took the matters into his own hands and solved it with a pile of bullets! I understand, it was hard for him to find a new love, but you can't always have it their way. That's why he got screwed over countless times and didn't know what hit him. He was like a drunk man, always in a wrong place. Also, the storyline could have been a lot better. Comparing both of the series of Max Payne, the second serie seemed like a totally new game. But, good job with the graphics and the physics, they were very well done. Although, Max and Mona got older, Vinnie seemed the get younger. He looked like a teenage kid. In the first episode, he seemed to be the same age as Payne or something close to that. Also, for Vlad being a backstabber surprised me too, but I wont continue that " Omfg, Vlad was the good guy!" thing. Because that bastard admitted on killing your family/sending men to kill your family. I also liked the mobsters, they were a real blast. Like the mob war.
"Just like good old times, eh?"
"Yeah!"
"Like back then, when we were peddling V. But that undercover cop blew everything! What was his name again?"
"Hurt?"
"Payne!"

Yeah, that was fun, and where people talk things. Like mobsters watching Porno!

"I'd rather do her than do get killed outside!"
"Yea, I know what you mean."

And cops watching Lords And Ladies, hah. And when I turned the TV off and they turned it back on etc etc.

"Hey, we were watching that!"
"*******."

But in overall, I think/know that Max Payne I cannot be overthrown by Max Payne II, whatever you say or do, it can't. Max Payne I was a brilliant classic!

Blam! Blam! Thank You Man! - OverKill!

[Sang]

Because that bastard admitted on killing your family/sending men to kill your family.

That always confused me. In the first game I thought it was quite clear that Horne had sent some junkies to test the Valkyr drug in an urban environment.. Obviously it went wrong.

However I think when Vlad said that - something to the extent of "Funny how you ended up working for the guy who got your family killed in the first place" - it could be in reference to some other guy. Alfred Woden or maybe Vinnie Gognitti? But then that would mean one of these 2 fellas took orders from Horne. I'm guessing Gognitti because he's a mobster, perhaps the junks were mobsters high on V, sent by Gognitti, taking orders from Horne?

Or is it just a huge lie by Vlad to confuse Max? (not that it matters gameplay-wise)

Or maybe it's just a huge plothole

[Over-Kill]

Yeah, that was weird. I don't think Vinnie did it. I think they bought V, but didn't directly took orders from Horne, because Max would have killed him on the first sight. Also, I think Woden didn't do it either. Their so-called "Inner Circle" was full of corruption so they had better things to worry about. My bets are on that Vlad himself, took orders from Horne. Maybe he gave some junky's a good dosage of V...

[Doomsays]

Originally Posted by Sang

"Funny how you ended up working for the guy who got your family killed in the first place"

"Ironic, isn't it?"

"What is?"

"How you fell for the killer working for the man who got your family killed. Love is blind."

Max fell for Mona who worked for Woden who got Max's family killed. :B

[franpa]

yep, talk about gimmicky ending, so lame and boring.

[dan2091]

^Hey, thanks Doomsays, I did never think about Mona on that phrase, now I got it... thanks.

Actually, I feel maybe max Payne 2 is for hardcore Max Payne fans.. I was teaching my cousins about Max Payne and they finished the first game, the sayd "wow, the helicopter crap and stuff", and later playing Max Payne 2 they said "yes it's like the first one but way better", BUT they haven't finished the game yet, so I hope they don't get dissapointed, because I know th end is not way superior, but it is stronger, with more emotional enphasis.. Say I'm crazy or in love, but Max Payne 2 made me cry..... it's the best game with the best end to me.. it has to grow on you to understand, you have to get into the character.. sorry for seapking nonsense, but to me this work out to get that feeling. Conclusion: nice ending.

[Dunedain]

Coolgamer: If you go to the link below, it will take you to the thread where the real Max Payne/Sam Lake face mods are being discussed, there are links for some of the Max Payne face mods there.

And I have another Max Payne/Sam Lake face mod file that might not be listed there, and this is the one that I use when I play. Just give me your e-mail address if you want this file, too. Using one of these real Max Payne mods is the only way to play Max Payne II. Same offer for any other Max Payne fans that want this additional mod version that restores Max's true appearance from Max Payne.

http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6685

[Dunedain]

Sang: Yeah, it is kind of strange how few precautions Vlad took before the fight with Max. Maybe Vlad was thinking there was no way Max would make it through all those guys to get to him, so he was surprised when Max did make it and Vlad wasn't really prepared to get in a shootout with Max at that point.

Here's looking forward to Max Payne III (you know Remedy or Rockstar has to be working on a sequel by now)!

[Caboose O'Malley]

I felt the Max Payne 2 ending was perfect; it was more mature than MP1, The whole game was less of a cliché (Mainly talking about the dialog) and the story was of Redemption, misery, hope, love, death and Max Paynes "rebirth".

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...of-Max-Payne-2

"I had a dream of my wife. She was dead. But it was all right."

Come on! What better way to end it??

[Unbeholder]

Originally Posted by Over-Kill

[I]First, Max Payne I was perfect. I honor Remedy for that, my whole life. But I must agree, Max Payne II left me cold. They showed parts of the end before you even got playing. That was a big "-". Also, he always whined about his failure in love. The game was short, so he managed to whine during the whole game. He didn't whine when his family got killed. Instead, he took the matters into his own hands and solved it with a pile of bullets! I understand, it was hard for him to find a new love, but you can't always have it their way. That's why he got screwed over countless times and didn't know what hit him. He was like a drunk man, always in a wrong place. Also, the storyline could have been a lot better. Comparing both of the series of Max Payne, the second serie seemed like a totally new game. But, good job with the graphics and the physics, they were very well done. Although, Max and Mona got older, Vinnie seemed the get younger. He looked like a teenage kid. In the first episode, he seemed to be the same age as Payne or something close to that. Also, for Vlad being a backstabber surprised me too, but I wont continue that " Omfg, Vlad was the good guy!" thing. Because that bastard admitted on killing your family/sending men to kill your family. I also liked the mobsters, they were a real blast. Like the mob war.

But in overall, I think/know that Max Payne I cannot be overthrown by Max Payne II, whatever you say or do, it can't. Max Payne I was a brilliant classic!

Max Payne 2 has superior story telling, graphics, gameplay, physics and the way max payne looks now suits his voice.

where as in max payne 1 Sam Jarvi wanted the character to look like him. big mistake. Sam Jarvi was the writer of Max Payne, He just wanted his moment of fame.

[ShadowsWake]

Originally Posted by dan2091

^Hey, thanks Doomsays, I did never think about Mona on that phrase, now I got it... thanks.

Actually, I feel maybe max Payne 2 is for hardcore Max Payne fans.. I was teaching my cousins about Max Payne and they finished the first game, the sayd "wow, the helicopter crap and stuff", and later playing Max Payne 2 they said "yes it's like the first one but way better", BUT they haven't finished the game yet, so I hope they don't get dissapointed, because I know th end is not way superior, but it is stronger, with more emotional enphasis.. Say I'm crazy or in love, but Max Payne 2 made me cry..... it's the best game with the best end to me.. it has to grow on you to understand, you have to get into the character.. sorry for seapking nonsense, but to me this work out to get that feeling. Conclusion: nice ending.

Yea, that's what a lot of people do wrong wiht role playing games, or games that are heavy in story like max payne. If you don't put your self into his shoes, and try to picture yourself dealing with his situations and relating to whats going on, you're going to miss a big chunk of what these games have to offer. However, if you let yourself get into the character, it leads to a very deep and rewarding gameplay experience, in my personal opinion.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Originally Posted by Unbeholder

Max Payne 2 has superior story telling, graphics, gameplay, physics and the way max payne looks now suits his voice.

Physics in Max Payne 2 are over the top by a lot and crap. Graphics of course are better. Gameplay is not better. Max Payne is more health in 2, takes less damage, enemies are easier and the game is just easier. Not to mention the maps aren't as good as one.

And "the way max payne looks now suits his voice" is just crap. There are lots of people who don't "sound" like how they "look." It's how people are.

[Mariamus]

Originally Posted by Unbeholder

where as in max payne 1 Sam Jarvi wanted the character to look like him. big mistake. Sam Jarvi was the writer of Max Payne, He just wanted his moment of fame.

Where are you pulling this crap out of? Everyone in Max Payne was visually based off someone from Remedy, their friends or family. They didn't have the finances to hire models and actors, so they used themselves.
That's also why they changed it when MP2 was made, because they had the money to hire models!

Check your facts before you pull stuff like that out of your rear end!

[Unbeholder]

Originally Posted by Mariamus

Where are you pulling this crap out of? Everyone in Max Payne was visually based off someone from Remedy, their friends or family. They didn't have the finances to hire models and actors, so they used themselves.
That's also why they changed it when MP2 was made, because they had the money to hire models!

Check your facts before you pull stuff like that out of your rear end!

They didn't have finances? excuses... excuses...

Why? I dunno about you...but if I had the money I WOULD hire actors for my game. I don't think it's an excuse at all. I'm an aspiring game designer and I WILL have to use people I know for my first game, I'm sure of that.

[Mona 28]

They have the money! Look the success of Max Payne! Maybe they are concentrated on Alan Wake, I wish...

[Mariamus]

Originally Posted by Unbeholder

They didn't have finances? excuses... excuses...

Now you're just being an idiot. Logic too much for you?

[Jake Crusher]

Hey! We`re talking about MP2`s ending - not about "actors" or "finances" or blah-blah-blah...

For me, Max Payne 2 - not just a sequel. It is a drama. A drama of a man, whose world is already shattered. Some people may think that MP2 is worse than MP1 - but I disagree.
Of course, I like MP1 & MP2 - but I can`t compare, which is better. You see, MP1 - is an action game like John Woo`s movie. Brilliant game.
MP2 - darker than it`s predecessor. Noir. Drama. For me - successful enough, since I almost started to cry when I saw game`s ending for the first time (where Mona dies). But when I saw different ending, where Mona lives, I thought - "Maybe from now on, Max will be able to start his life anew?"

Everybody can suit for themselves, if they liked MP2 or not.
IMHO - MP2 is good game.

[Unbeholder]

Originally Posted by Mariamus

Now you're just being an idiot. Logic too much for you?

why is it that you can't understand my jokes.

Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

Physics in Max Payne 2 are over the top by a lot and crap.

the physics is one of the reason I liked the game alot, it made killing people fun, so what are you saying? pre-animated deaths are better? physics are a step up, giving life to a game that otherwise would be using repetitive pre-animated death scenes.

so your point is invalid, and somewhat a pointless flame against max payne 2, which is considered a overall better game than the first.

Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

Gameplay is not better. Max Payne is more health in 2, takes less damage, enemies are easier and the game is just easier. Not to mention the maps aren't as good as one.

game play is not better? how? now you can actually use bullet time, where as before it ran out fast, using a shotgun during a bullet time was so slow that it wasn't effective, not to mention the lead pipe, grenades, molotov where a big hassle to use in combat.

max payne 2 rectify these problems, bulet time is what it should have been, graphics on all weapons, and the effects such as muzzle flashes and bullet casings are alot better. Gameplay was much more enjoyable, one of the reasons i keep coming back to the game.

Maps not as good? true. the only point i agree that you made. But max payne 2 levels have alot of objects scattered around, all that use physics, which make the levels more enjoyable, its really not that big a deal, i like some of the levels alot. hardly something to criticize a whole game about considering how better max payne 2 was in almost every aspect.

Originally Posted by ZuljinRaynor

And "the way max payne looks now suits his voice" is just crap. There are lots of people who don't "sound" like how they "look." It's how people are.

Like Mariamus said, everyone in Max Payne was visually based off someone from Remedy, their friends or family. They didn't have the finances to hire models and actors, so they used themselves.
That's also why they changed it when MP2 was made, because they had the money to hire models.

Thus the models used in the first max payne where chosen out of necessity, which proves my point that max payne didn't suit his voice. Max payne 2 is how max should have looked like.

[Mariamus]

Originally Posted by Unbeholder

the physics is one of the reason I liked the game alot, it made killing people fun, so what are you saying? pre-animated deaths are better? physics are a step up, giving life to a game that otherwise would be using repetitive pre-animated death scenes.

Physics win over pre-animated any day.
In KOTOR they used preanimated, and it looked awful when you use force storm on an entire group and ALL of them fall and die in the exact same manner.

[KaraBulut]

Both games are good in their own ways but they both lack the same thing.

MULTI PLAYER

[Unbeholder]

Originally Posted by KaraBulut

Both games are good in their own ways but they both lack the same thing.

MULTI PLAYER

max payne isn't that sort of game.

[KaraBulut]

Why wouldn't it be ? I mean even without the Bullet time a deathmatch would be great.
With Max Payne 2 Pysics engine all that stuff and cover would make an exellent game play.

And I don't expect it to be like Team Fortress 2 just a simple deathmatch.

[Caboose O'Malley]

I thought this topic was supposed to be about the Max Payne 2 Ending?

[Unbeholder]

Max payne 2 ending?

ow right

Great ending, I think he finally moved on with his life.

the death of Mona set him free. He kissed her to wake himself up from the nightmare that had brought him there.

[biXen]

Originally Posted by KaraBulut

Why wouldn't it be ? I mean even without the Bullet time a deathmatch would be great.
With Max Payne 2 Pysics engine all that stuff and cover would make an exellent game play.

And I don't expect it to be like Team Fortress 2 just a simple deathmatch.

I think there's enough mediocre multiplayer games.